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Raulmarrio2000
11-30-2009, 16:32
Hey to all. I was reading the post about the Falklands war. If war is justified in some cases, then the war to liberate the Falklands was really justified.(I voted YES). Britain did not hurry to start military actions, USA had proposed many diplomatic solutions and the military dictatorship here rejected them all, even when they knew that the British Forces were already bound to the Islands. If the dictators were not disuaded by the inminent war, surely they wouldn't have been disuaded by any economic sanctions.
But the problem now is not an invasion by an illegal Govt many years ago, the real problem is that Argentine leaders don't learn the lesson. They judged the dictators for the war and for human rights violations, but they still claim the Islands. For the good of Islanders and Argentinians, that claim must be dropped. We could have a good friendly relation with our British neighbours but our leaders still prefer worthless nationalism to wellfare.
I think the UN should once and for all recognise the Falklnds as a British Overseas Territory and reject all sovereignty claims.
http://www.petitiononline.com/falkland/petition.html
Darryl'Libertarian'Jones
11-30-2009, 21:54
Hmm, although I agree that the Argentine government should just let it go, since the country's claim to the islands has existed since it's independence, I really cannot see that happening any time soon.
When Thatcher sent the task force, a lot of people, including me, suspected the worst motives for such a move, primarily a cynical, jingoistic play of the patriot card. Next election in the bag, style o' thing.
It was worse than that, though. The Argentines invaded because they believed that Britain would not fight for the Falklands. Our country had been reducing it's assistance to the islands for some years previously, and as I recall, deliveries by an important supply ship had been cancelled, or at least reduced.
Thatcher's actual response therefore took the junta by surprise. I guess they didn't fully appreciate what an animal she could be at times. The crew of the Belgrano did, or at least, the survivors.
But the problem now is not an invasion by an illegal Govt many years ago, the real problem is that Argentine leaders don't learn the lesson.
Well, it is sort of right off their country? You can see why they'd be annoyed. But I couldnt care less which state owns it. It belongs to the people who live there, no one else.
When Thatcher sent the task force, a lot of people, including me, suspected the worst motives for such a move, primarily a cynical, jingoistic play of the patriot card. Next election in the bag, style o' thing.
It was worse than that, though. The Argentines invaded because they believed that Britain would not fight for the Falklands. Our country had been reducing it's assistance to the islands for some years previously, and as I recall, deliveries by an important supply ship had been cancelled, or at least reduced.
Thatcher's actual response therefore took the junta by surprise. I guess they didn't fully appreciate what an animal she could be at times. The crew of the Belgrano did, or at least, the survivors.
God bless dear old Maggie. :)
Patriot 167
12-01-2009, 14:19
The crew of the Belgrano did, or at least, the survivors.
One small note about the Belgrano:
The War cabinet took the decision to sink the Belgrano knowing that she was being escorted by two other destoryers, who would pick up the surivors. It's not Thatcher's fault if the the destroyers ran away.
One small note about the Belgrano:
The War cabinet took the decision to sink the Belgrano knowing that she was being escorted by two other destoryers, who would pick up the surivors. It's not Thatcher's fault if the the destroyers ran away.
Come off it. Dont try to pretend that, in that war, we had something against killing people.
Well, it is sort of right off their country? You can see why they'd be annoyed. But I couldnt care less which state owns it. It belongs to the people who live there, no one else.
The people who live there who want British rule.
The people who live there who want British rule.
Yes I know.
James2200
12-01-2009, 18:48
At the time Argentina was nearly as strong as Britain, which had just recovered from a deep recession. They took advantage, and lost. Point made. Should they drop it - Yes. Britain has grown in strength whilst (No offence) The Argentine armed forces have undergone tonnes of cuts, and have very little in comparison to the past.
I went to Argentina a few years ago and despite being somewhat apprehensive of how a Brit would be treated, I loved every second.
It is one of the most breathtakingly beautiful places I have ever been too. Standing on a road through the Tierra Del Fuego looking out at the vast landscape was awe-inspiring.
The people were all really welcoming and cheerful. If anyone on this forum ever goes to Ushuaia, look out the Hotel Albatros and the Galleon Restaurant. Excellent places both.
Darryl'Libertarian'Jones
12-01-2009, 20:21
At the time Argentina was nearly as strong as Britain, which had just recovered from a deep recession. They took advantage, and lost. Point made. Should they drop it - Yes. Britain has grown in strength whilst (No offence) The Argentine armed forces have undergone tonnes of cuts, and have very little in comparison to the past.
Yes, in fact I could swear their Air Force was (statistically) superior to ours. Also that the US Secetary of Defence considered retaking the islands to be a "military impossibility".
Yes, in fact I could swear their Air Force was (statistically) superior to ours. Also that the US Secetary of Defence considered retaking the islands to be a "military impossibility".
US Sec of Def is used to using US troops though. The, "Be the Best" recruiting campaign is not a mere slogan, the British army is the best in the world.
Yes, in fact I could swear their Air Force was (statistically) superior to ours. Also that the US Secetary of Defence considered retaking the islands to be a "military impossibility".
Certainly in terms of deployable assets in the Falklands their air force was superior to ours, since the only fixed-wing fighter aircraft we could deply were Harriers, whereas they had supersonic Mirages, Daggers (Israeli-upgraded ground attack Mirages) and Super Etendards, quite aside from subsonic attack aircraft such as Skyhawks. So in terms of aircraft capability they had a qualitative and quantitative advantage: I think that British success was mostly down to pilot skill and our using a newer version (AIM-9L) of the Sidewinder missile with better capabilities.
James2200
12-05-2009, 19:45
British Oversea's Territory - British
Argentina - Argentinian
Thats fair, right?
xvictoriax
12-06-2009, 16:56
£60 billion worth of oil was found on the coast recently at least she didn't know it was there?? to quote HIGNFY :)
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