View Full Version : More money for the EU from us!
coruscant
08-25-2009, 21:33
Well it looks like the EU have politely demanded £2.1billion extra from our government for the incoming countries into the EU's fold. This is a rise of 60%, from £4.1billion. In 2004 the EU cost us £53 per household, now it's set to be £260 per household.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8219344.stm
How can recession, debt-ridden Britain afford this extra expense!!!???
Gotlieb Alexander
08-25-2009, 21:41
Well it looks like the EU have politely demanded £2.1billion extra from our government for the incoming countries into the EU's fold. This is a rise of 60%, from £4.1billion. In 2004 the EU cost us £53 per household, now it's set to be £260 per household.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8219344.stm
How can recession, debt-ridden Britain afford this extra expense!!!???
No! No! No!
coruscant
08-25-2009, 21:43
I like what you did there :)
Conzales
08-25-2009, 21:46
We should pay £3 billion more!
coruscant
08-25-2009, 21:49
Ok, if you pay all of that yourself :)
Gotlieb Alexander
08-25-2009, 21:50
We should pay £3 billion more!
Why not £20billion more?
Hey, I think I might even have £20 in my wallet right now, would Lord Mandelson mind telling me how I can get this to Brussels!
Darryl'Libertarian'Jones
08-25-2009, 21:53
Why not £20billion more?
Hey, I think I might even have £20 in my wallet right now, would Lord Mandelson mind telling me how I can get this to Brussels!
Heck, with that money, the government could pay for us all to holiday in Brussels every year ;).
coruscant
08-25-2009, 21:53
Why not £20billion more?
Hey, I think I might even have £20 in my wallet right now, would Lord Mandelson mind telling me how I can get this to Brussels!
Through Rothschild's bank account... oh wait... I'm think of that businessman who got money from the EU into his bank account through talking to Mandelson on Rothschild's yacht. This underhand dealings can get so confusing...
To be completly honest i dont think we should be in the EU but thats just me haha :P The EU can find its own money
Austin Sheridan
08-30-2009, 14:44
Well it looks like the EU have politely demanded £2.1billion extra from our government for the incoming countries into the EU's fold. This is a rise of 60%, from £4.1billion. In 2004 the EU cost us £53 per household, now it's set to be £260 per household.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8219344.stm
How can recession, debt-ridden Britain afford this extra expense!!!???
It's worth it as we benefit more from being in the EU rather than out it.
coruscant
08-30-2009, 14:46
Not really, since we're a net contributor.
Not really, since we're a net contributor.
The benefits are not solely through the redistributive aspects of the EU budget but also through the trade links, etc.
Hamsterwaffle
08-30-2009, 14:52
The benefits are not solely through the redistributive aspects of the EU budget but also through the trade links, etc.
Which could exist through a separate trade agreement, ideally one that doesn't cost an ass load of money
coruscant
08-30-2009, 14:53
The benefits are not solely through the redistributive aspects of the EU budget but also through the trade links, etc.
Which would exist if the EU existed or not.
Which could exist through a separate trade agreement, ideally one that doesn't cost an ass load of money
They could exist, but it wouldn't allow us so much control - and countries in the EFTA still have to contribute towards the EU's Social Fund despite not being eligible to receive funds.
Hamsterwaffle
08-30-2009, 15:12
They could exist, but it wouldn't allow us so much control - and countries in the EFTA still have to contribute towards the EU's Social Fund despite not being eligible to receive funds.
But EFTA has a combined GDP of roughly 1 third of Britains GDP, we are in a far superior position to demand the right to keep our money.
But EFTA has a combined GDP of roughly 1 third of Britains GDP, we are in a far superior position to demand the right to keep our money.
And most of our trade is with Europe so they have the right to be awkward [like de Gaulle].
Dirk/DSF
08-30-2009, 16:21
And most of our trade is with Europe so they have the right to be awkward [like de Gaulle].
50-something percent, isn't it? Or what?
50-something percent, isn't it? Or what?
Actually I'm not too sure - all I remember is that Germany is a substantial trading partner but less students are studying German.
Here's some ammo for you:
http://www.global-vision.net/files/downloads/download456.pdf
http://www.global-vision.net/facts/fact15_4.asp
https://www.uktradeinfo.com/index.cfm?task=td_statictables
For every £100 of goods that the UK sells to Germany, Germany sells £170 of goods to the UK.
However consider also that the EU is a major player in trade liberalisation and the non economic benefits of membership.
Hamsterwaffle
08-30-2009, 19:15
However consider also that the EU is a major player in trade liberalisation and the non economic benefits of membership.
Such as?
(filler)
Such as?
The non economic benefits of membership include enhanced judicial co-operation, and the use of a common instrument of the EU to exert pressure on others due to the EUs sheer size.
RobClews
09-01-2009, 14:56
Is it worth considering that immigrants alone contribute £3 billion to the economy?
In addition to this, let us for a moment consider what would have happened to Ireland if it was not for the financial support of the European Union. They would have literally become bankrupt.
You could try to argue the formation of the EU increased globalisation and the interdependency of economies, yet this would have happened regardless.
Hamsterwaffle
09-01-2009, 15:09
Is it worth considering that immigrants alone contribute £3 billion to the economy?
In addition to this, let us for a moment consider what would have happened to Ireland if it was not for the financial support of the European Union. They would have literally become bankrupt.
You could try to argue the formation of the EU increased globalisation and the interdependency of economies, yet this would have happened regardless.On the matter of the Ireland issue, you do realise that a large amount of their economic problems was caused due to a lack of control over monetary policy, don't you?
Furthermore on the matter of immigrants, if the UK were to leave the EU it wouldn't necessarily mean closing the borders to everyone, in fact it could allow for a more economic approach to immigration so that we can gain the economic benefits of immigration without being forced to let in everyone and would also allow for filtering to prevent undesirables entering the country.
coruscant
09-01-2009, 21:16
On the matter of the Ireland issue, you do realise that a large amount of their economic problems was caused due to a lack of control over monetary policy, don't you?
Furthermore on the matter of immigrants, if the UK were to leave the EU it wouldn't necessarily mean closing the borders to everyone, in fact it could allow for a more economic approach to immigration so that we can gain the economic benefits of immigration without being forced to let in everyone and would also allow for filtering to prevent undesirables entering the country.
Yeah, like Canada does, and they're doing very well.
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