I got BNP propaganda through the door today... [Archive]

liberati

05-18-2009, 17:38

What do they believe in I have never seen their ideology..

Possibly fortunate for me then?
:)

For too long we have been treated as second class citizens in our own country. Labour have denied that the English even exist

They're like an English version of the BNP, just replacing Britain with England (Scots and welsh are counted as 'evil immigrants' :P)

Daniel Frost

05-18-2009, 17:39

They are sort of like the SNP for England, but eurosceptic and a bit more nationalist.

xvictoriax

05-18-2009, 17:41

I see...I'm glad i'm an ignoramus to be honest :)

I now know but do other people especially old people who fall for it and consider what happened "back in their day..."

morton700

05-18-2009, 19:14

Do the BNP post flyers around every house in Britain or in areas where they think they have a chance???

Paul

05-18-2009, 19:52

Do the BNP post flyers around every house in Britain or in areas where they think they have a chance???
The Royal Mail do it - for free! As soon as a party contests a certain number of seats they get a free maildrop and TV slots.

Richie B

05-18-2009, 19:59

The Royal Mail do it - for free! As soon as a party contests a certain number of seats they get a free maildrop and TV slots.

Oh ok I noticed that and i din't know why, is it just for european and general elections then??

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:01

The Royal Mail do it - for free! As soon as a party contests a certain number of seats they get a free maildrop and TV slots.

So if I set up a political party with the main aim of killing thousands of people (i.e. genocide) and I had enough candidates for the European elections, then the Royal Mail would send around my propoganda for free? That sounds ridiculous

PS Just to clarify that I don't think this whatsoever!

xvictoriax

05-18-2009, 20:03

I didn't ever think you would do that :) I'm sure.

It is freedom of speech isn't it though?

If not I guess it would be another thing to hold against government...they already have written a huge list.

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:07

I didn't ever think you would do that :) I'm sure.

It is freedom of speech isn't it though?

If not I guess it would be another thing to hol against governent...they already have written a huge list.

Probably not allowed under the Promoting racial hatred or whatever it is called law ...

Then again I guess you could argue that applies to the BNP to!

xvictoriax

05-18-2009, 20:12

Then why allow it?

There must be some crazy little loophole somewhere.

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:19

Then why allow it?

There must be some crazy little loophole somewhere.

There is always a loophole in a law, it just depends how large the loophole is!

As for allowing it, who knows???

xvictoriax

05-18-2009, 20:23

its quite frustrating...

rules aren't made to be broken!

Sort of :)

Paul

05-18-2009, 20:25

Then why allow it?

There must be some crazy little loophole somewhere.

Plaid Cymru asked the Royal Mail to stop distribution as Plaid did not feel they were within the Electoral Guidelines - if a Party Election Broadcast (PEB) or leaflet is not within these guidelines it does not have to be distributed. Earlier this month Five refused to broadcast a BNP PEB (based on a story recently broadcast on Channel Four about Asian men having sex with 13 year old white girls) because they did not feel it was within the guidelines.

xvictoriax

05-18-2009, 20:30

That makes complete sense.

shock tactics didn't work then..who could be that gullible to vote for them?

Shocking really they would broadcast it considering apparently they are trying to change their image (yes seriously).

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:31

Plaid Cymru asked the Royal Mail to stop distribution as Plaid did not feel they were within the Electoral Guidelines - if a Party Election Broadcast (PEB) or leaflet is not within these guidelines it does not have to be distributed. Earlier this month Five refused to broadcast a BNP PEB (based on a story recently broadcast on Channel Four about Asian men having sex with 13 year old white girls) because they did not feel it was within the guidelines.

Any shocking immigrant story told by the BNP can always easily be used against them when a white person attacks an immigrant!

coruscant

05-18-2009, 20:34

You can't just ban the BNP, you have to expose them to reasoned arguments.

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:37

You can't just ban the BNP, you have to expose them to reasoned arguments.

Aren't there already many reasoned arguments against them???

coruscant

05-18-2009, 20:40

That's what I'm talking about. Keep doing that, don't ban them. To ban them would lowering ourselves to their level.
"I detest what you have to say but will defend to the death your right to say it."

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:42

That's what I'm talking about. Keep doing that, don't ban them. To ban them would lowering ourselves to their level.
"I detest what you have to say but will defend to the death your right to say it."

You are right that we don't want to be lowering ourselves to their level but despite the fact that their arguments are so flawed, more and more people are voting for them ...

coruscant

05-18-2009, 20:43

I don't think they will actually get that many more votes than before. I think it's all hype.

morton700

05-18-2009, 20:51

I don't think they will actually get that many more votes than before. I think it's all hype.

Then were do you think that all of the votes will go from people who have become disillusioned with the main parties?

coruscant

05-18-2009, 20:53

Greens, UKIP, Libertas, SNP e.t.c

Paul

05-18-2009, 20:53

Then were do you think that all of the votes will go from people who have become disillusioned with the main parties?

Stay at home?

coruscant

05-18-2009, 20:53

Stay at home?
Yeah that or apparently some people will spoil their ballots.

AKU//

05-18-2009, 21:14

I don't think they will actually get that many more votes than before. I think it's all hype.

The received 400% more votes at the 2005 General Election than they did at the 2001.

morton700

05-18-2009, 21:15

The received 400% more votes at the 2005 General Election than they did at the 2001.

And that was without the expenses fiasco and recession!

Patriot 167

05-18-2009, 21:41

I got a series of leaflets last Tuesday.

After a look at the other leaflets (in this order: UKIP, Conservative, Green party, Liberal Democrat) I was disgusted to find a leaflet with BNP stamped across the front. I've kept all the leaflets (as a service to history).

I don't believe that the BNP will ever find a platform in Westminster or Strasbourg. But if they do find a seat I shall act with the finest words of Francis Urquhart:

"I'll bring them all down".

Paul

05-18-2009, 21:51

I've kept all the leaflets (as a service to history)

This website - http://www.thestraightchoice.org/ - does a slightly more extensive job than you, check your leaflets are on there and if not send them a scan!

Conzales

05-18-2009, 21:53

I think everyone should phone up and get the BNP information pack. Then we would bankrupt them :D

Patriot 167

05-18-2009, 21:54

This website - http://www.thestraightchoice.org/ - does a slightly more extensive job than you, check your leaflets are on there and if not send them a scan!

It would be by no means definitative. But I enjoy the collecting.

Paul

05-18-2009, 22:01

I think everyone should phone up and get the BNP information pack. Then we would bankrupt them :D

Well they said call, but they didn't say why, in their ad - hell let's do it.

Patriot 167

05-18-2009, 22:03

I think everyone should phone up and get the BNP information pack. Then we would bankrupt them :D

I ordered that out of curiosity. It still hasn't arrived though.

To bankrupt them would be excellent.

Conzales

05-18-2009, 22:22

I ordered that out of curiosity. It still hasn't arrived though.

To bankrupt them would be excellent.

I smell a facebook campaign. Like a postal order flash mob.

CharlieB_90

05-19-2009, 11:09

Yay free toilet paper!

morton700

05-19-2009, 12:56

Yay free toilet paper!

Or hamster bedding!

AKU//

05-19-2009, 14:53

The BNP are pretty thick sending out their free posts over two weeks before the poll. Most people will have forgotten about them again by election day.

Lets just hope some dumb ass media outlet doesn't go hyping them up.

orcprocess

05-19-2009, 16:08

Or hamster bedding!

You make your hamster sleep on that? :eek:
*phones RSPCA*:p

morton700

05-19-2009, 16:35

You make your hamster sleep on that? :eek:
*phones RSPCA*:p

Don't have a hamster! I would never allow a hamster to sleep on it ... what would happen if it could read!?

CharlieB_90

05-19-2009, 16:40

Don't have a hamster! I would never allow a hamster to sleep on it ... what would happen if it could read!?

*insert joke about a hamster being a more appealing party leader than Nick Griffin here*

orcprocess

05-19-2009, 17:49

Don't have a hamster! I would never allow a hamster to sleep on it ... what would happen if it could read!?

It would want to kick out the other pets in the house ;)

Generation Zero

05-20-2009, 18:18

Fair to say I threw it straight in the bin.

I got one too (actually about three)- total Nazi stuff.
I defaced, then shredded one, and pinned one on my friend's wall as a practical joke, and said friend also took the third one to stick on our headteacher's office door...

Rebecca Jayne

05-20-2009, 18:40

We have had BNP, Liberal Democrats and Conservatives leaflets through the post.

I think they all went in the bin!

Sam Jones

05-20-2009, 18:51

We got UKIP and BNP but I am glad to see the lazy politicians dancing for our votes again.
No matter how scary they sounded.
I want to see more. From all parties...............
Get up and come see me.
Knock on my door.
Lazy people.
Dance.
Work for my vote I want to be impressed.

Darryl'Libertarian'Jones

05-20-2009, 19:08

I'm open minded, so I decided to read it first. Knowing that the people pictured in the leaflet are not even BNP voters, it just made me laugh. Keep up the good work, boys!

EDIT-Wow! It burned perfectly. I suppose the BNP have won something there.

morton700

05-20-2009, 19:10

I have never heard of a female BNP supporter. Does anybody know of any female BNP supporter?

Darryl'Libertarian'Jones

05-20-2009, 19:15

I have never heard of a female BNP supporter. Does anybody know of any female BNP supporter?

I remember seeing an elderly woman who supported the BNP on some documentary on Panorama.

AKU//

05-20-2009, 19:40

I have never heard of a female BNP supporter. Does anybody know of any female BNP supporter?

They do have some female supporters-they tend to be older women and chavy girls. Although there are a growing number of BNP families.

There's a documentary called BNP Wives they was broadcast on Sky a few years back which is quite interesting. Its on Google videos.

morton700

05-20-2009, 19:42

They do have some female supporters-they tend to be older women and chavy girls. Although there are a growing number of BNP families.

There's a documentary called BNP Wives they was broadcast on Sky a few years back which is quite interesting. Its on Google videos.

I had always wondered whether there were any female BNP supporters and here is the answer. I will try and find the Sky broadcast when at home for half term as school internet doesn't allow Google videos!

Paul

05-20-2009, 19:44

Possibly in BNP wives there was this divorced woman who no-one loved but found a family in the BNP.

EDIT: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/01/bnp-wives-documentary-online.html (Uses Google video)

ciara_squires

05-20-2009, 19:54

didn't someone from the BNP say the best way to solve the lack of jobs was for all women to stay at home and be housewives?
probably doesn't help

ciara_squires

05-21-2009, 14:09

we just got BNP leafletted, going to burn it, of course.

Northern Teen

05-21-2009, 14:23

I've had Conservative, UKIP, BNP and LibDem propoganda, needless to say they were all recycled, not put in the bin, unlike the BNP one which I actually bothered to read. I've read all the other parties ones before and so thought "why not?"

EDIT: Even worse, buring it?! No respect for the enviorment whatsoever! :p

ciara_squires

05-21-2009, 14:59

Red-Fred

05-21-2009, 16:21

I've only had a conservative one so far, my friends have had BNP and Green which I'd like. I want to build up a collection as this is the first election I've really been engaged with in my area.

The Tory one annoyed me...I might deface it. Although I am REALLY looking forward to when some Tory knocks on my door and tries to convince me that I should vote for him.

"So you're a capitalist are you eh?" ;)

Hamsterwaffle

05-21-2009, 16:45

i read the BNP one, laughed at the polish spitfire and the italian pensioners now just to burn it :cool:
There you have it folks, Socialists fully support burning Italian pensioners.

AKU//

05-21-2009, 17:00

We've got BNP propaganda on the forum...

http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/group.php?groupid=74

liberati

05-21-2009, 17:01

We've got BNP propaganda on the forum...

http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/group.php?groupid=74

But you can't burn things via the internet :(

AKU//

05-21-2009, 17:02

But you can't burn things via the internet :(

Nah but you can flame:p.

Which is what I intend to do as soon a possible...

Patriot 167

05-21-2009, 17:02

http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/group.php?groupid=74

Common-sense?

Northern Teen, how is the British National Party manifesto common-sense?

Patriot 167

05-21-2009, 17:04

But you can't burn things via the internet :(

Yes you can!:

http://www.eurofaq.freeuk.com/frytheflag/ :D

Rootsie

05-21-2009, 17:06

Nah but you can flame:p.

Which is what I intend to do as soon a possible...
I've started for you

Hamsterwaffle

05-21-2009, 17:10

I've started for you
Now I must protest on the strongest possible terms at this action, while we may not agree with them, it is inappropriate to make immature attacks on someone expressing their view.

Rootsie

05-21-2009, 17:13

Now I must protest on the strongest possible terms at this action, while we may not agree with them, it is appropriate to make immature attacks on someone expressing their view.
Your bad there?

coruscant

05-21-2009, 17:54

We've got BNP propaganda on the forum...

http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/group.php?groupid=74
Oh dear. That's disgusting.

morton700

05-21-2009, 17:55

We've got BNP propaganda on the forum...

http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/group.php?groupid=74

Just out of interest, is it possible for a group to be binned/removed on the UKYP forums by the moderators?

coruscant

05-21-2009, 17:56

I'm not sure if we should take it to that extreme. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions.

morton700

05-21-2009, 18:01

I'm not sure if we should take it to that extreme. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions.

I know that but I was just wondering out of interest

Patriot 167

05-21-2009, 18:02

Instead of talking and agreeing about how terrible the BNP group is, why don't we just leave it the rot in the failure bucket.

It won't get anymore then 3 members if its lucky anyway.

morton700

05-21-2009, 18:03

It won't get anymore then 3 members if its lucky anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if the membership stayed as it was!

AKU//

05-21-2009, 18:06

Just out of interest, is it possible for a group to be binned/removed on the UKYP forums by the moderators?

Yes, if they violate the terms and conditions.

However, I believe in free speech and because the BNP are an ugly and imature group I intent to be so rude they go away:p.

No censorship.

Hamsterwaffle

05-21-2009, 18:32

Your bad there?
Corrected.

coruscant

05-21-2009, 18:38

I don't expect they'll even get 2 members, never mind 3 :p

Generation Zero

05-21-2009, 18:40

We should all join and leave insulting messages on their discussion board.

coruscant

05-21-2009, 18:43

No because then it does slightly look like we support them :(

Hamsterwaffle

05-21-2009, 18:44

We should all join and leave insulting messages on their discussion board.
Well that's mature. Regardless of how we feel about their views, we should treat them with the respect and manners that are required for intellectual debate to remain civil.

coruscant

05-21-2009, 19:13

Again, Voltaire springs to mind...

liberati

05-21-2009, 19:40

Well that's mature. Regardless of how we feel about their views, we should treat them with the respect and manners that are required for intellectual debate to remain civil.

Indeed, they should only be countered in rational debate rather than sinking to the level of insulting messages.
I invite any BNP supporters to air their views so we can discuss them in a reasonable manner.

Paul

05-21-2009, 20:59

We've got BNP propaganda on the forum...

http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/group.php?groupid=74

http://youth.bnp.org.uk/archives/213 - This has finally come to pass.

People may not be aware, but every year elections take place for the United Kingdom Youth Parliament. For more information look here:

http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/4598.html

The age range for elected representatives is 11 to 18 years of age.

We would advise all members of the YBNP to look at this option, and take note of the upcoming elections in their areas. Please contact this office if you require further advice.

Some time ago it was decided that YBNP members would stand in UKYP elections when the time was right.

From August YBNP members will be briefed and made ready to stand and represent their young friends in the 2009/10 cycle of elections.

After all, we cant leave it all to the grown ups can we!

Generation Zero

05-22-2009, 15:19

Well that's mature. Regardless of how we feel about their views, we should treat them with the respect and manners that are required for intellectual debate to remain civil.

Yeah, fair enough.
I was being tongue-in-cheek.
Mind you, I don't think the BNP would show the same reagard for others' opinions that we do.

Hamsterwaffle

05-23-2009, 10:59

Yeah, fair enough.
I was being tongue-in-cheek.
Mind you, I don't think the BNP would show the same reagard for others' opinions that we do.
That doesn't mean we should sink to their level.

Mossad

05-23-2009, 11:10

I'm with the 'waffle.

coruscant

05-23-2009, 15:08

Same here!

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 15:13

coruscant

05-23-2009, 15:16

Cool! I would have liked to have seen that.

Mossad

05-23-2009, 15:21

AKU//

05-23-2009, 15:44

I think it's wrong for postman to refuse to deliver these leaflets.

It's also potentially illegal under the Representation of the People Act...

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 15:57

I think it's wrong for postman to refuse to deliver these leaflets.

well actually it's in their contract they're allowed to refuse to deliver anything which offends them, i think asking a black or polish or anyone even to deliver leaflets against themselves is digusting, good on them for having morals.

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 16:00

http://www.cwu.org/news/archive/delivery-of-election-material.html

apparently at least 10 refused here....

Northern Teen

05-23-2009, 16:27

we've just been spreading anti-BNP prop in Portsmouth today, had a Rally in town with Speakers from Lib dems, Conservatives, Labour, Greens and Trade unions, plus alot of posties in Portsmouth refused to deliver the leaflets meaning lots of bnp leaflets didn't get distributed, more leafletting in the next few days, hope it's enough to keep 'em out!
Okay, but UAF ain't as active. I leafleted a nice area this morning, and then went to town to see UAF near people spreading Christainity and dancing with music (strange it was only black people doing it).

They had a little stall behind it, no one visiting it except me who went over to get a leaflet to bin it :D

Incase you're wondering, they were in Newcastle City Centre.

Then, when I got home I decided to leaflet my area to be finished off tomorrow! :D

Mossad

05-23-2009, 16:30

soph41190

05-23-2009, 16:39

Okay, but UAF ain't as active. I leafleted a nice area this morning, and then went to town to see UAF near people spreading Christainity and dancing with music (strange it was only black people doing it).

They had a little stall behind it, no one visiting it except me who went over to get a leaflet to bin it :D

Incase you're wondering, they were in Newcastle City Centre.

Then, we I got home I decided to leaflet my area to be finished off tomorrow! :D

I saw a BNP stall.
No one was visiting, except a woman I knew who started a row LOL!
Strangely there were only white working class people behind it.

Tit for Tat.
So what is your point?

AKU//

05-23-2009, 16:41

@ Northern Teen

You may be interested to know that Mossad is Jewish and of part-Polish extraction:p...

Hope it doesn't put you off your match;).

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 16:45

Okay, but UAF ain't as active. I leafleted a nice area this morning, and then went to town to see UAF near people spreading Christainity and dancing with music (strange it was only black people doing it).

They had a little stall behind it, no one visiting it except me who went over to get a leaflet to bin it :D

Incase you're wondering, they were in Newcastle City Centre.

Then, we I got home I decided to leaflet my area to be finished off tomorrow! :D

why is it strange to have black christians? and is there a point about UAF being near a christian stall?

shame, although i guess BNP have better standing up north unlike down here, lots of attention everyone listening and taking leaflets, signing things and solidarity, when we were setting up a man from another charity though it was a pro-BNP stall and was just coming over to have a rant and shout but then realised we were Anti-BNP.

soph41190

05-23-2009, 16:46

Mossad

05-23-2009, 16:57

I thought he/she (sorry!) might be Jewish....what with the Mossad name and all...:)

Not that all Jews are for Mossad....hm...erm...(digs)

On another note, my dad just hired a client who is sponsored by Hezbollah!!!!
We all find this mildly ironic......he said "it's ok, should be fine...I just won't invite him to passover" ;)

I'm a he, I don't class myself as 'jewish' but I class myself as a 'jew.'
I most certainly don't support Mossad and am neutral on Israel, when I made this account I just had watched an episode of spooks, and the name 'Mossad' is cool, and the rest they say is history.

I am also very proud to be British.

soph41190

05-23-2009, 16:58

Yes I know I was only teasing :)
Mossad is a shamefully cool name.....NCIS....waah :) Especially in an Israeli accent, sounds cool.

LordAnubis

05-23-2009, 17:00

So far we've got 3 labour leaflets and a conservative one. No fringe parties yet. Well, other than the Lib Dems.

Mossad

05-23-2009, 17:04

So far we've got 3 labour leaflets and a conservative one. No fringe parties yet. Well, other than the Lib Dems.

oi you :( :mad:

soph41190

05-23-2009, 17:20

We just had BNP......

Northern Teen

05-23-2009, 17:22

Are you a Newcastle United fan?
Nope, don't follow football.
There is a vareity of responses, for exmaple, some people this morning:
"I'll be voting, but it won't be for BNP"
"T'arh mate" (over and over again)
"Thanks, about time you got here!"

And then a group of about half a dozen people appeared when asking a man if he'd like a leaflet, he sighed in relief and then about half a dozen of his friends came out. All supporting the BNP, saying he was ex-labour, having cancelled that membership a while ago. They were all big supporters of the BNP and talked a while with them.

And it wasn't "proper" Christianity, it was some cult.
Only students helping out on UAF stall.

coruscant

05-23-2009, 17:25

I bet you all had a nice conversation about how immigrants are ruining this country and they should all go back where they came from and give us our jobs back - right?

Northern Teen

05-23-2009, 17:27

I bet you all had a nice conversation about how immigrants are ruining this country and they should all go back where they came from and give us our jobs back - right?
Couldn't be more wrong! It was all about them not believeing the media smears/lies, wanting British people put first, restoring law & order etc.

liberati

05-23-2009, 17:29

I bet you all had a nice conversation about how immigrants are ruining this country and they should all go back where they came from and give us our jobs back - right?

"Bloody immigrants coming over here, claiming benefits and stealing our jobs," oh wait...

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 17:33

Couldn't be more wrong! It was all about them not believeing the media smears/lies, wanting British people put first, restoring law & order etc. Only mention of immigration was the agreement "it's gone too far".

also the doctor on your BNP leaflet, if he's a real doctor not a model of course or doesn't turn out to be polish, is an idiot, teh NHS couldn't survive without all those eastern european nurses and the low paid jobs.

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 17:34

"Bloody immigrants coming over here, claiming benefits and stealing our jobs," oh wait...

hahahahhaha :p

coruscant

05-23-2009, 17:34

Foreign workers do work British people don't want to, for not a less money, so quite often 'stealing anyone's jobs' at all - British people wouldn't do that job if it wasn't occupied by 'foreigners'.

LordAnubis

05-23-2009, 17:36

I'll just leave this here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6325783.ece

magicman92

05-23-2009, 17:40

Couldn't be more wrong! It was all about them not believeing the media smears/lies, wanting British people put first, restoring law & order etc. Only mention of immigration was the agreement "it's gone too far".

Yet this country is built on Immigration. Does the BNP like to pick and choose the bits of British history it likes. You're not purely Celtic; you're a bit Irish, Roman, Anglo Saxon, Viking, Norman &c. We're better because of our composite culture and all you and the BNP want to do is tear it down. Feel ashamed about how you've ignored swathes of your own history.

coruscant

05-23-2009, 17:47

Yeah I was watching a programme about that which was quite interesting, although it was focused on Scotland, but it still said about the rest of Britain. It said about the different peoples that arrived and settled in Britain.

magicman92

05-23-2009, 17:56

kaity221

05-23-2009, 18:18

The BNP leaflet that came through our door got burned :D
Got a nice picture I might email them..

soph41190

05-23-2009, 18:40

Couldn't be more wrong! It was all about them not believeing the media smears/lies, wanting British people put first, restoring law & order etc. Only mention of immigration was the agreement "it's gone too far".

HAHAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHA!! OH WOW
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
That couldn't be more fantastic "it's gone too far".

Have you ever watched 'The Nazis, a Warning from History' (I still can't believe how happy you've made me).
There was an interview with a German NSDAP member, and he said I quote:

(After being asked why the Jews?) "(silence)....there was, you know...just the general feeling that it had gone to far."

(questioner: "what had?")

"You know, Jews, and the money, there were so many and they were very prominent in business such as theatre and finance, many people just felt it had gone too far."

Obviously this 'innocent' little claim led somewhere completely different.
Please don't be stupid enough to believe 'that wouldn't happen today', it is for these reasons I claim history to be the most important school subject.
The world changes, not the people. Millions die not because an evil man chuckles and rubs his hands, but because millions of people say 'hey...it has nothing to do with me!' or 'It's gone too far.'

Patriot 167

05-23-2009, 19:01

Enclosed for your "enjoyment", BNP common sense, as defined by Northern Teen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKuGrkBPf-s

(It dosen't get any worse then this)

Now if we follow this thinking, there is something wrong (physical, mental?) with all races who are not white.

I so I'd like to know from Northern Teen (for he is the only true BNP person here), what exactly is wrong with the other races of the world?

LordAnubis

05-23-2009, 19:05

That video wouldn't be so bad, if it wasn't, well, so bad. The voice is just annoying, and looks like it was thrown together in about 5 mins.
I expect higher quality propoganda from the BNP next time tbh. :p

Paul

05-23-2009, 19:05

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 19:16

Have you ever watched 'The Nazis, a Warning from History'

I saw that!
exactly, to quote what most people in their speeches said today, 'NEVER AGAIN'.

soph41190

05-23-2009, 19:16

Obvious as to their lack of intelligence eh.
Brings a whole new meaning to the word doggerel.

Northern Teen

05-23-2009, 19:44

also the doctor on your BNP leaflet, if he's a real doctor not a model of course or doesn't turn out to be polish, is an idiot, teh NHS couldn't survive without all those eastern european nurses and the low paid jobs.
Not them ones, some new ones this morning. "Punish the Pigs" which doubles up as a window poster (small one, but still a window poster!).

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 19:48

Not them ones, some new ones this morning. "Punish the Pigs" which doubles up as a window poster (small one, but still a window poster!).

well they had to publish new ones didn't they?!, the old ones were full OF LIES, AMERICAN BUILDERS, POLISH SPITFIRE, ITALIAN PENSIONERS?
why did your beloved party publish such hypocritical not thought out crap? they've lost any credibility they had if they had any to start with...British Jobs for British workers my arse, most immigrants do anything to work, take low skilled jobs and jobs WE DON'T WANT while BRITISH people happily live on benefits their whole lives? or is that different 'cos they're white?...

AKU//

05-23-2009, 19:59

Not them ones, some new ones this morning. "Punish the Pigs" which doubles up as a window poster (small one, but still a window poster!).

I saw them.

Bloody hilarious coming from the political party where most of their councilors can't be bothered to turn up ever.

the average attendance for a BNP Councilor seems to be about 25%.

Patriot 167

05-23-2009, 20:03

ciara_squires

05-23-2009, 20:03

I saw them.

Bloody hilarious coming from the political party where most of their councilors can't be bothered to turn up ever.

the average attendance for a BNP Councilor seems to be about 25%.

exactly, and you know if BNP candidates were actually MP's i bet a million pounds their expenses would be some of the highest and greediest, the councilors' attendance is ridiculous

Northern Teen

05-23-2009, 20:59

Any comments Northern Teen?

Billy Brit: Not my thing, but it's okay.
Races: Nothing wrong with other races.

Red-Fred

05-23-2009, 21:07

It amuses me that they try an stand as a party or the working people, but frequently miss vital budget meetings on on the odd occasion they do turn up, supported the Tories in voting through millions of pounds of public service cuts.

soph41190

05-23-2009, 22:12

Northern Teen

05-23-2009, 22:43

Because they are not politicians. They find it boring, unradical, and disillusioning.
They heat up public hatred to pressure maximum and that is all they are good for.
They are lobbyists, ignorant uneducated lobbyists. Nothing more.

BNP aren't politicans? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Richard Barnbrook has exceeded expections in my opinion in the GLA, representing the people of London (white or black!!)

morton700

05-23-2009, 22:45

BNP aren't politicans? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

They are anything but

soph41190

05-23-2009, 23:30

BNP aren't politicans? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Richard Barnbrook has exceeded expections in my opinion in the GLA, representing the people of London (white or black!!)

Your opinion matters very little. A councillor's success is not guaged by his flatters but by the anger of his enemies.
As it stands, I would not name him the most beloved man in the world.

Generation Zero

05-24-2009, 02:20

Your opinion matters very little. A councillor's success is not guaged by his flatters but by the anger of his enemies.
As it stands, I would not name him the most beloved man in the world.

Yeah.
I met Darren Johnson, chair of the london assembly, the other day. He said that the BNP had done evryone a fvour and shot itself in the foot by choosing Barnbrook, an openly racist idiot who doesn't have even the charisma or political skill of even Nick Griffin

magicman92

05-24-2009, 06:35

coruscant

05-24-2009, 06:36

Northern Teen

05-24-2009, 09:58

I think it's disgusting that the BNP are trying to indoctrinate children with their racist idea. I was also very surprised to hear they have a youth movement - remind you of any other racists from history, Northern Teen?

Conservative Future comes to mind, Young Labour, UKIP Young Independence etc...

Patriot 167

05-24-2009, 10:08

Races: Nothing wrong with other races.

So why does the video list some great britons and then state that they are white? If it is a national party why doesn't it name some great black britons?

Mossad

05-24-2009, 10:10

I think it's disgusting that the BNP are trying to indoctrinate children with their racist idea. I was also very surprised to hear they have a youth movement - remind you of any other racists from history, Northern Teen?

To be fair, Liberal Youth as well. Although these organisations don't teach children how to fire a gun.

Northern Teen

05-24-2009, 10:11

So why does the video list some great britons and then state that they are white? If it is a national party why doesn't it name some great black britons?

Search "Black History Month" in YouTube, they'll be 'tribute' video's on there.

cig1705

05-24-2009, 10:18

Search "Black History Month" in YouTube, they'll be 'tribute' video's on there.

But surely isn't it then the BNP's duty to reclaim great black Britons from the clutches of those who would lionise them solely on account of their race and not on account of their deeds?

LordAnubis

05-24-2009, 11:38

Conservative Future comes to mind, Young Labour, UKIP Young Independence etc...

Yes but conservative future doesn't have 'camps' which people can go to.

And I think he was hinting at Hitler Youth, as he said about from history, and the ones you mentioned are all present day.

AKU//

05-24-2009, 11:47

Conservative Future comes to mind, Young Labour, UKIP Young Independence etc...

They don't run away weekends where people are trained how to use weaponry...

Edit

Another key difference is the age of those they target. The BNP targets people from the age of nine up. Conservative Future, Liberal Youth etc. are aimed at the 16-30 demographic. You know an age range that is independent and can make up its own mind from all the sources of information available.

Northern Teen

05-24-2009, 11:49

They don't run away weekends where people are trained how to use weaponry...

Nothing more than you can't learn in the Army Cadets.

magicman92

05-24-2009, 11:54

Nothing more than you can't learn in the Army Cadets.

Combined Cadet Force is managed by HM Armed Forces and is not partisan.

LordAnubis

05-24-2009, 11:57

Nothing more than you can't learn in the Army Cadets.

There's a difference between Army Cadets and a political party.

AKU//

05-24-2009, 12:49

Nothing more than you can't learn in the Army Cadets.

The BNP claims that it doesn't want the UK 'to be turned into a Third World country'.

Well to my mind one of the hallmarks of a developed, stable country is that the state has a monopoly on force.

Child soldiers are illegal under the UN Convention anyway.

rosalie.xx

05-24-2009, 13:20

Urgh, has anyone seen that poisonous Billy Brit puppet the BNP is using to target young children? I saw a clip of it on Have I Got News For You...Apart from the fact that it looks like something from the 1960s, why is the BNP trying to bring children up to hate asylum seekers and non-white people? This nation is seriously going backwards.

LordAnubis

05-24-2009, 14:09

This nation is seriously going backwards.

Only when the BNP get into power can you really say that they are a representation of the nation. Until then it's just small parts of it, that there always will be, going backwards.

Patriot 167

05-24-2009, 14:15

Nothing more than you can't learn in the Army Cadets.

Far-right political parties armming the youth with tatics to kill is one of the worst things I've ever heard. And it's happening in Britain to-day.

And there is only one reason for this, a revolution for the purpose of killing the non-white races.

coruscant

05-24-2009, 15:34

Conservative Future, yeah, because under 30s is a "youth movement".

rosalie.xx

05-24-2009, 15:39

Only when the BNP get into power can you really say that they are a representation of the nation. Until then it's just small parts of it, that there always will be, going backwards.

Yeah, I suppose. It's still a very small minority. (:

TheAngriestLeftyInTheWest

05-24-2009, 15:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ4ZM-cDid0

A little light relief.

:Vampiress:

05-24-2009, 15:56

Damnit only leaflet i've gotten is a UKIP one.

joanne.b.

05-24-2009, 16:19

We had 'Don't Vote BNP in European Elections' protest in town today. It was nice but as most people were like 'yeah, we're not going to...' it wasn't much but a few people with banners. :)

It was good though, I'm pleased they did it.

soph41190

05-24-2009, 16:24

Conservative Future comes to mind, Young Labour, UKIP Young Independence etc...

Conservative Future doesn't have a cartoon, or 'sessions', or 'training getaways'.

It is like comparing the Brownies to the Hitler Youth.

soph41190

05-24-2009, 16:25

Conservative Future comes to mind, Young Labour, UKIP Young Independence etc...

Besides, Conservative Future/Young Labour are for young people interested in politics, not young people interested in racism or nationalistic rhetoric.

joanne.b.

05-24-2009, 16:26

Conservative Future doesn't have a cartoon, or 'sessions', or 'training getaways'.

It is like comparing the Brownies to the Hitler Youth.

Absolutely!

It reminds me of the children's programme somewhere in the Middle East with a comic character who spread hate to Jews. It was pretty horrific to watch.

soph41190

05-24-2009, 16:27

Nothing more than you can't learn in the Army Cadets.

The Army isn't politicisied.
You know, you've pointed out every similarity other than the Hitler Youth. If they are trying to replicate it, you really should accept it.

coruscant

05-24-2009, 16:27

Conservative Future doesn't have a cartoon, or 'sessions', or 'training getaways'.

It is like comparing the Brownies to the Hitler Youth.
Yeah, exactly!

joanne.b.

05-24-2009, 17:29

Found a report on what I said earlier:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/2447895/Islamic-Bugs-Bunny-programme-spreads-extremism.html

About it being the Telegraph...sorry.

UKernie123

05-24-2009, 21:51

I want to go through town and bump into some people handing them out, just to collect one and rip it up in front of them. I hate Nick Griffin so much.

morton700

05-24-2009, 22:01

I want to go through town and bump into some people handing them out, just to collect one and rip it up in front of them. I hate Nick Griffin so much.

I think most sane people do :D

UKernie123

05-24-2009, 22:04

I think most sane people do :D

haha. I just saw something on the news about how the BNP are using Jesus to get them votes. Do they not realise he was a middle-eastern, most probable mixed race man? He's so stupid.

soph41190

05-25-2009, 09:50

They may be using Jesus to get votes, but what I find even more spectacular is that they are using Quasimodo as their front runner!

Liam Hannan

05-25-2009, 12:44

They are sort of like the SNP for England, but eurosceptic and a bit more nationalist.

not so sir.

soph41190

05-25-2009, 12:47

not so sir.

The SNP with white cloaks and pitchforks ;) ? hehe

Richie B

05-25-2009, 12:52

Its a shame that the bnp used royal mail as I wanted to see who the local BNP person was. Soemone put a BNP leaflet through our door about the county council elections. I missed the person again and its a shame that my did has hidden the key to the gun cabinet :(

soph41190

05-25-2009, 12:55

My burmee friend got a leaflet, and my best mate (who is Turkish) got one yesterday! How funny!

morton700

05-25-2009, 13:55

My burmee friend got a leaflet, and my best mate (who is Turkish) got one yesterday! How funny!

The BNP must be bad for the environment because of the number of binned leaflets!

Richie B

05-25-2009, 15:26

The BNP must be bad for the environment because of the number of binned leaflets!

Not necessarily it helps recycling ;)

liberati

05-25-2009, 15:37

The BNP must be bad for the environment because of the number of binned leaflets!

Could they be banned as an environmental hazard then? :p

morton700

05-25-2009, 15:45

Could they be banned as an environmental hazard then? :p

They would save us all from their dreary and useless message! ;)

magicman92

05-25-2009, 17:57

The BNP has disabled comments on the Billy Brit video! :rolleyes:

cig1705

05-25-2009, 18:03

The BNP has disabled comments on the Billy Brit video! :rolleyes:

Well, let's face it, how well are the BNP going to take reasoned arguments that

(a)None of the people in that poem (except Nick Griffin) would vote BNP
(b) No one else would...

coruscant

05-25-2009, 20:12

The BNP has disabled comments on the Billy Brit video! :rolleyes:
Like Number 10 had to do with Brown's video.

morton700

05-25-2009, 21:49

Like Number 10 had to do with Brown's video.

That was funny ...

I'm personally not surprised that the BNP got loads of comments on the video so they stopped people commenting; very few people are receptive to the BNP message despite what the media says

coruscant

05-26-2009, 07:22

I put a comment in the channel page telling them what I thought of them :)

morton700

05-26-2009, 07:23

I put a comment in the channel page telling them what I thought of them :)

I thought they had closed the channel comments as well :confused:

coruscant

05-26-2009, 07:28

No, I don't think so.

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 16:37

BNP Party political broadcast, to-day, BBC2 5:55. :eek:

morton700

05-26-2009, 16:42

BNP Party political broadcast, to-day, BBC2 5:55. :eek:

This should be very funny but also quite scary ;)

Unite Against Fascism

05-26-2009, 16:46

I'm kinda expecting Northern Teen to be doing the broadcast since he is probably the only sane supporter of the party. The rest are most likely to be in mental asylums. :D

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 16:49

It's going to be rasicm wrapped in intelligent charm.

Either that, or "There are too many black people in this country". *Cut to a shot of Brixton*

Mossad

05-26-2009, 17:21

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00kr95w/Party_Election_Broadcasts_for_the_European_Parliam ent_2009_British_National_Party_26_05_09/

I lol'd.

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 17:22

I bet thats not his real office.

The whole broadcast looks it was made on a home computer with some fancy software.

magicman92

05-26-2009, 17:46

Urgh. That was awful! They forgot all the Commonwealth countries that helped fight in WW2! Shameful.

LordAnubis

05-26-2009, 17:47

When mentioning who died in WW2 fighting, he seems to forget the rest of the commonwealth. Hardly suprising, but it's a fairly major point to slip up on.

EDIT: Magic man beat me to it. Now I look like a fool :p

morton700

05-26-2009, 17:58

It was as I expected i.e. lots of Britain is best and no explanations on how they will solve the problems facing in Britain.

They are so keen to remove their image as the racist party yet fail miserably in the process.

Paul

05-26-2009, 18:22

How are they blaming Heroin on islam?
The rise of militant Islam imports contempt for women, vandalism against christian churches, attacks on members of the jewish faith, a heroin epidemic and terrorism.
Anyone who's parents came here because they were kicked out of Uganda/Tanzania watch out - you're going to be kicked out!
When we say British jobs for British workers - we mean it; And we include the British born children of the decent immigrants who came here to work in the fifties and sixties?The Irish are safe from being kicked out!
In the end the answer to the question "by what right should native Brits be put first?" can be seen on every war memorial in the country. Just think with me for a moment of all those names carved in those cold, sad slabs of stone: English name; Scottish name; Welsh names; Irish names - our British names.
And I was surprised they said, "reverse the tide of immigration", because that just makes certain what we all know - there will be forced removals.
That's why you, like us, have the right to demand British jobs for British workers and a reversal of the immigration tide that threatens to turn our people into a minority in our own homeland.
This sounds a bit like "rights for whites"...
Because our rights, your rights, your family's rights to enjoy the benefits that come from being a part of this great nation were won by the blood, sweat, toil and tears of our past generations. They worked, fought and died to pass to us all that we hold dear.

Also "it's not racism, it's common sense" (and variants) is becoming a cliché.

Austin Sheridan

05-26-2009, 18:31

They are sort of like the SNP for England, but eurosceptic and a bit more nationalist.

There nothing like the SNP apart from wanting Independence for there home nation.

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 19:19

Not only did they ignore the bravery of the Commonwealth nations in the world wars, Nick took Churchill's words, and used them to try and turn us into racists!

Austin Sheridan

05-26-2009, 19:25

Not only did they ignore the bravery of the Commonwealth nations in the world wars, Nick took Churchill's words, and used them to try and turn us into racists!

Although I don't really admire Churchill I think it was wrong. UKIP and the BNP are using him. I think its wrong.

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 19:29

Although I don't really admire Churchill I think it was wrong. UKIP and the BNP are using him. I think its wrong.

An insight into the mind of Austin.

coruscant

05-26-2009, 19:47

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00kr95w/Party_Election_Broadcasts_for_the_European_Parliam ent_2009_British_National_Party_26_05_09/

I lol'd.
That was awful.

morton700

05-26-2009, 22:04

Not only did they ignore the bravery of the Commonwealth nations in the world wars, Nick took Churchill's words, and used them to try and turn us into racists!

I don't see how they can get away with that to be honest. Trying to make Britain sound like a country of racists from a quote from the greatest war hero ever (in many people's opinion)

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:35

Gone, in to the history of cyber-space.

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 22:38

If you ever have the pleasure of meeting a Snr. person in your local BNP group, you'll think twice about insulting the people of the BNP.

why?

'cos they're probably a racist thug and might burn your house down or summit?

TheAngriestLeftyInTheWest

05-26-2009, 22:40

If you ever have the pleasure of meeting a person in your local BNP group, you'll think twice about insulting the people of the BNP.

Don't insult the people, insult the policies if you must, but insulting the people is just low. Lower standards than UKIP.

I think his comments were tongue in cheek which was made quite clear by the smiley. That being the case there are two possibilities:

1) You didn't realise - making you a bit of a fool

2) You wilfully misinterpreted it in order to score a cheap point - making you somewhat duplicitous.

Which is it?

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:47

why?

'cos they're probably a racist thug and might burn your house down or summit?

No, because they're friendly.

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 22:47

you'll think twice about insulting the people of the BNP.

I'm not scared of the BNP, they don't know where I live.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:49

I think his comments were tongue in cheek which was made quite clear by the smiley. That being the case there are two possibilities:

1) You didn't realise - making you a bit of a fool

2) You wilfully misinterpreted it in order to score a cheap point - making you somewhat duplicitous.

Which is it?
3) I know Matthew (aka United for Fascism) and he was probably just playing with the smilies to look "hip" or just good.

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 22:50

No, because they're friendly.

tssh, in town the other day on the anti-BNP rally it was preety damn obvious who the BNP members were- the shouting, vile, rude ones who thought they were cool.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:50

I'm not scared of the BNP, they don't know where I live.

Wow - I over-estimated you. I never thought you'd delete a bit of my post to make it look bad. You know where getting bigger when more smears have to be made up to try and get us on a slope back down, but at the moment where walking up a mountain steadily. :cool:

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:52

tssh, in town the other day on the anti-BNP rally it was preety damn obvious who the BNP members were- the shouting, vile, rude ones who thought they were cool.

Yeah, because Unite Against Fascism are perfect in public...
Spiting on people, swearing in a busy shopping area where there would be Youth's.

morton700

05-26-2009, 22:53

Wow - I over-estimated you. I never thought you'd muck delete a bit of my post to make it look bad. You know where getting bigger when more smears have to be made up to try and get us on a slope back down, but at the moment where walking up a mountain steadily. :cool:

Although let's be honest, it is the truth that many BNP members aren't that nice. I for one wouldn't want to meet Nick Griffen ...

LordAnubis

05-26-2009, 22:53

You know where getting bigger when more smears have to be made up to try and get us on a slope back down, but at the moment where walking up a mountain steadily. :cool:

The same could be said for the Lib Dems.

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 22:53

Yeah, because Unite Against Fascism are perfect in public...
Spiting on people, swearing in a busy shopping area where there would be Youth's.

well it wasn't actually just UAF, it was councillers from ALL the parties including tories and lib dem
spitting and swearing? 'fraid that's your kind who do that, why do so many of their members have violent records, the thugs.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:54

Although let's be honest, it is the truth that many BNP members aren't that nice. I for one wouldn't want to meet Nick Griffen ...

Gone, in to the history of cyber-space.

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 22:55

Maybe that's just the BNP in your area, but there all friendly locals in mine with professional jobs.

friendly to you, think it might be because you're white? what about everyone else, and i've seen the way they act around people who oppose them, it ain't preety.

morton700

05-26-2009, 22:56

Maybe that's just the BNP in your area, but there all friendly locals in mine with professional jobs.

How do you class a professional job?

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:56

Gone, in to the history of cyber-space.

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 22:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLy59BQ24bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZzQLBpjg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKH7gap4qA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvwqfBwdcw0

hahaha youtube videos? let's look at BNP members CRIMINAL records.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 22:58

How do you class a professional job?
Jobs that require skill & concentration to do.
I.T Technician, one (now ex-) school teacher, Schoo Governor.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 23:00

friendly to you, think it might be because you're white? what about everyone else, and i've seen the way they act around people who oppose them, it ain't preety.
They don't act differently around non-whites.

It actually looks as though a few ethnic minority people could be voting for us!

Hamsterwaffle

05-26-2009, 23:01

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 23:01

Jobs that require skill & concentration to do.
I.T Technician, one (now ex-) school teacher, Schoo Governor.

mate, factory workers need skill and concentration, school teachers follow curriculums.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 23:01

hahaha youtube videos? let's look at BNP members CRIMINAL records.

Yeah, because a criminal has never been a member of any other political party before...

Most recently: MP's expenses... :rolleyes:

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 23:02

You guys really aren't UKIPs biggest fans are you?

It was either join them of destroy them and UKIP wouldn't let them merge together.

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 23:02

They don't act differently around non-whites.

It actually looks as though a few ethnic minority people could be voting for us!

YES THEY DO, they're racist how could they not act differently, some of them have records for inciting racial hatred and racial thuggery, most people don't act like that actually.

and no they're not, unless the have an even lower IQ than the average BNP-er...

morton700

05-26-2009, 23:02

They don't act differently around non-whites.

It actually looks as though a few ethnic minority people could be voting for us!

If shouting at people in the streets because they are an ethnic minority is normal, then yes they are normal.

I'd be astounded if any ethnic minorities vote for you. If they do, they clearly haven't read your leaflets or flyers ...

ciara_squires

05-26-2009, 23:03

Yeah, because a criminal has never been a member of any other political party before...

Most recently: MP's expenses... :rolleyes:

MP's expenses was hardly against one paticular group of people, and if BNP could actually get in the HoC their expenses would be the worst, bet you!

LordAnubis

05-26-2009, 23:05

Nor was the MPs expenses illegal. Just immoral.

There's alot better you could do than that tbh.

Northern Teen

05-26-2009, 23:06

I wonder if it's worth making an "ask the BNP kid" kind of thread? :p

Patriot 167

05-26-2009, 23:06

This seems to have decended into a "Who can spit the most poison at Northern teen" contest.

morton700

05-26-2009, 23:07

I wonder if it's worth making a "ask the BNP kid" kind of thread? :p

It wouldn't exactly be BNP, more like proving that everything that the BNP says is wrong and isn't true ;)

peace

05-26-2009, 23:23

Although let's be honest, it is the truth that many BNP members aren't that nice. I for one wouldn't want to meet Nick Griffen ...

I would!! I want to meet the next (wanna-be) hitler.
But yes maybe Northen teen is right, maybe we should'nt judge the party because of its supporters WHOLLY,and concentrate on the policies, but its pretty much common sense to know that if the policies are what the supporters BELIEVE IN, which obviously they do then we judge the supporters with the same attidude we judge the policies!!!
And let me tell you this I will do all that I can to educate ALL ethnic minorities of you're policies before the election :)

coruscant

05-27-2009, 07:50

You guys really aren't UKIPs biggest fans are you?
Of course not, they're campaigning on the same anti-EU platform but without the vile racism - the BNP know they have no chance of beating UKIP with the BNP's awful racism.

Northern Teen

05-27-2009, 10:38

[QUGone, in to the history of cyber-space.

Northern Teen

05-27-2009, 10:38

Nick Griffin's on Sky News in a moment.

LordAnubis

05-27-2009, 10:41

The point of these forums isn't to 'convert' it's to discuss. Do you see every Labour, Lib Dem and Tory poster actively going out trying to convert the 'non believers'?

morton700

05-27-2009, 10:43

Northern Teen

05-27-2009, 10:43

The point of these forums isn't to 'convert' it's to discuss. Do you see every Labour, Lib Dem and Tory poster actively going out trying to convert the 'non believers'?
I know, and I said that at the end of my sentence. :rolleyes:

LordAnubis

05-27-2009, 10:46

I know, and I said that at the end of my sentence. :rolleyes:

I know, but the idea that the BNP think that certainly says something.

TheAngriestLeftyInTheWest

05-27-2009, 10:53

Where in our manifesto does it say "gas jews, gays, blacks and gypsies"?
Nowhere, you just like to make it up.

It actually says on the BNP website guide section not to bother arguing on forums as "you can't convert them" but I'm not trying to do that, I'm just 'defending' the best I can.

Raises a good point does this. Why, if BNP members are sugar and spice etc, does the party issue them with guidelines for behaviour and talk about twisting language to make their policies and opinions defensible?

"Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we've got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, the British people might change their mind and say, 'Yes, every last one must go.' But if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you're gonna get absolutely nowhere. So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity"

Nick Griffin speaking to former KKK leader David Duke

morton700

05-27-2009, 10:56

Raises a good point does this. Why, if BNP members are sugar and spice etc, does the party issue them with guidelines for behaviour and talk about twisting language to make their policies and opinions defensible?

"Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we've got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, the British people might change their mind and say, 'Yes, every last one must go.' But if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you're gonna get absolutely nowhere. So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity"

Nick Griffin speaking to former KKK leader David Duke

I'm surprised that Nick Griffen met the former KKK leader because of the political damage it may do.

It does say something about the BNP (or their supporters) that guidelines have to be written for them! :p

Northern Teen

05-27-2009, 11:00

I'm surprised that Nick Griffen met the former KKK leader because of the political damage it may do.

It does say something about the BNP (or their supporters) that guidelines have to be written for them! :p

Yep, guidelines! :)

morton700

05-27-2009, 11:02

Yep, guidelines! :)

Clearly not very good at following them :p

TheAngriestLeftyInTheWest

05-27-2009, 11:03

Yep, guidelines! :)

What's your point?

Guidelines (particularly in authoritarian parties) tend to be more binding than they sound. They are certainly written in imperative language.

Mossad

05-27-2009, 11:07

Guys, I think we are being unfair to Northern Teen. He hasn't said anything racist or derogatory, unlike Q_Q.

morton700

05-27-2009, 11:15

Guys, I think we are being unfair to Northern Teen. He hasn't said anything racist or derogatory, unlike Q_Q.

Maybe so but we have not been too harsh or unfair towards Q_Q ...

soph41190

05-27-2009, 11:23

Nick Griffin's on Sky News in a moment.

He was such a wally. Half of me thinks he's just like every other 'pigging' politician. He says one thing, then says another, contradicts himself, goes back on what he said a minute ago, blames other people for 'misinterpreting him'. Same old. He didn't stand a chance to be honest. He brings nothing new other than hateful, stirring rhetoric, which only serves to supply those with purposeless lives with something to blame.
Remember my rant about the blame culture - BNP stand for it.
He is a sycophant to the un-educated and the unemployed. They will one day see through it, but only when it is too late.

soph41190

05-27-2009, 11:26

If you ever have the pleasure of meeting a person in your local BNP group, you'll think twice about insulting the people of the BNP.

Don't insult the people, insult the policies if you must, but insulting the people is just low. Lower standards than UKIP.

I have met plenty.
All of them live up to my theory.
I think I shall write a book about it - Sophie's theories :)

soph41190

05-27-2009, 11:28

Wow - I over-estimated you. I never thought you'd delete a bit of my post to make it look bad. You know where getting bigger when more smears have to be made up to try and get us on a slope back down, but at the moment where walking up a mountain steadily. :cool:

Don't worry, I'm leaning on the TNT.

soph41190

05-27-2009, 11:31

I would!! I want to meet the next (wanna-be) hitler.
But yes maybe Northen teen is right, maybe we should'nt judge the party because of its supporters WHOLLY,and concentrate on the policies, but its pretty much common sense to know that if the policies are what the supporters BELIEVE IN, which obviously they do then we judge the supporters with the same attidude we judge the policies!!!
And let me tell you this I will do all that I can to educate ALL ethnic minorities of you're policies before the election :)

Sorry but the people make the policy.
Racism is absolutely fine, an idea can't hurt anyone, but you need a racist to make it bad.

peace

05-27-2009, 15:28

Sorry but the people make the policy.
Racism is absolutely fine, an idea can't hurt anyone, but you need a racist to make it bad.

Yes, the BNP members make the policy, but the supporters only believe in them, they do not make the policies do they?
So therefore the supporters beliefs are made up from the policies made (yes, from the partys members) :)

Well then there you go, we know what the BNP and its supporters are then.
Watching Nick Griffin today on sky news and taking everything else into account, we shouldnt just call them racist, because he seemed to be talking about 'muslims' as being a whole different race rather than a religion, maybe we should say, in the same breath as them being racist also Islamophobic?!

What I don't understand is , why are they trying to make their naive supporters and all other viewers scared that some how Britain might Islamified? When they know full well that is not, and cannot happen. Rubbish.

peace

05-27-2009, 15:38

Where in our manifesto does it say "gas jews, gays, blacks and gypsies"?
Nowhere, you just like to make it up.

It actually says on the BNP website guide section not to bother arguing on forums as "you can't convert them" but I'm not trying to do that, I'm just 'defending' the best I can.

One of you're fellow supporters on this forum thought it impressive , the structural way in which the Jewish people were killed so we know where he has been influenced, as in a long time I havent heard some-one be so inconsiderate to say such a thing like that, and then (oops) be a BNP supporter aswell...hmm I sense a connection.

In a somewhat similar sense with gassing (which much to you're fellow supporters dissapointment will never happen in the twenty-first century) , you're 'manifesto' says that all immigrants and their descendants should be kicked out of this country, even if them 'descendants' were born here?!

Hitler wanted to purify Germany, by ridding the Jewish race, you're leader wants to purify Multi-cultural Britain from the Muslim race and from non-whites.
Whites membership only, sounds like something from the 1940s/50s America, what decade is the BNP living in?

Unite Against Fascism

05-27-2009, 15:43

One of you're fellow supporters on this forum thought it impressive , the structural way in which the Jewish people were killed so we know where he has been influenced, as in a long time I havent heard some-one be so inconsiderate to say such a thing like that, and then (oops) be a BNP supporter aswell...hmm I sense a connection.

In a somewhat similar sense with gassing (which much to you're fellow supporters dissapointment will never happen in the twenty-first century) , you're 'manifesto' says that all immigrants and their descendants should be kicked out of this country, even if them 'descendants' were born here?!

Hitler wanted to purify Germany, by ridding the Jewish race, you're leader wants to purify Multi-cultural Britain from the Muslim race and from non-whites.
Whites membership only, sounds like something from the 1940s/50s America, what decade is the BNP living in?

Nick Collett, one of the vice-chairmen (or something or other. . .) said: Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or 1930s Germany? It would be better for your child to grow up there

It's pretty obvious which generation they would like to live in. :rolleyes: