Immigration

[boltfw]

Is it fair for us British citizens to have immigrants coming into this country legal or illegal? Should we have a vast diversity of ethnicity in this country and having to worry about the Shia law etc. I believe not.

Although they may be good as employees for unwanted British jobs. But gang warfare can involve racism. What do you think that the government should do? Deport every single person who has just arrived in Britain within the last 5-10 years from an foreign country just so they can live here?

I don't want to be seen as racist bringing up this topic but it is something that I like to bring up!

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

Not enough options in that pol for me to vote im afraid however i will say this. If a person can speak english, is willing to work and can bring a skil then yes. If not then no.

[boltfw]

What other options do you want?

[LYM_Satyz]

This is a International Thing.
Even if we wanted to, we couldn't stop Legal Immigrants (Duno about Illegal).
Britain has international relationship with various countries. And to stop Immigrants, would be questioning the ethnic Background & culture of various other countries. This would really mess things up and could even lead to a War.

Racism in Gang warfare is not the reason immigrants should leave. This would really have an disastrous effect on the people.
We are free to go anywhere and wherever we want as long as we have the right documents (which I do).
talking about being Unfair to ourselves mite result in being unfair for all the people who will be moving out of the country.

Think before You Speak m8!

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

i could not disagree with you more. Infact i am highly offended. You are arguing that BRITISH PEOPLE should not be allowed to talk about what is undoubtedly the biggest issue of our lifew time!!! You say that you are not British, however you can talk about the future of Britain!

surely as a Briton i have the right to talk about the current sutuation my country. Britain is an island, we cannot keep allowing people into the country- they cannot fit, paper wor or not!!! Before you argue there is plenty of countryside to build on, you would have to get past me and thousands if not millions of us. British Public services cannot serve British people as it is and british people are the priority of british people.

Your comments have greatly angered me, i have plenty more to say however the dog needs walking and i can get more sense out of her. I am sure there is a queue of people waiting to argue you.

[LYM_Satyz]

Woaaah! M8 Sorry
:(
you got me all Wrong!
Didn't Mean it that way at all. Seriously I didn't!

Edited my Post so to make it correctly what i really meant.
I am just saying that it would be unfair to the legal immigrants who will be moving out.
.........................

[boltfw]

how exactly would it be unfair. what's wrong with your country. It's not exactly our fault that your country is not to your liking!! It's in fact unfair to us that we are having to change laws because of foregin multicultural immigrants moving in here.

[LYM_Satyz]

In order to Maintain World Peace this is Compulsory.
You cant just say that you should get rid of immigrants for the Future of Britain. It doesn't work that way at all.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

No Hard Feelings

However you cannot expect Britain to just fill up when its services cannot cope as it is. Britains main priority is to care for Britain

[LYM_Satyz]

yea But the Legal Immigrants who come into the Country Nowadays are really Highly Qualified. The others who come in Illegally should be the main target atm. not legal ones.

getting in Highly Qualified people into the country is like a Benefit to Britain.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

Not Always. If an immigrant has a skill and is willing to integrate it is fine by me. Britain is far softer than other countries and immigrants can get away wwith much more here. Why else would immigrants travel through Germany, France etc to get here?

[boltfw]

Okay, highly qualified people would be appreciated, but not too much. Why don't you be a highly qualified person your own country. Why not benefit that country. You are ripping the jobs that the Brits don't have a chance to have.

[LYM_Satyz]

Not Always. If an immigrant has a skill and is willing to integrate it is fine by me. Britain is far softer than other countries and immigrants can get away wwith much more here. Why else would immigrants travel through Germany, France etc to get here?

Correction There - Britain is the hardest country to get in for all the Legal People! other Illegal people come in using germany, Fance, blah blah.

All the other countries in the whole world are really easy to get into.
And I really know stuff about VISA's and passports so I know these things

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

Good point Bol its a lose lose situation for us, and gains all around for them. Sure poles do the jobs we are to stuck up to do, but we shoud be getting Brts to do them not expecting the poles to

[Hamsterwaffle]

People should only be allowed to move to Britain if they are of use to Britain. That includes EU citizens. And we also need a temporary freeze on immigration till we work out exactly who is living here and work out a system by which we only get the immigrants we need.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

People should only be allowed to move to Britain if they are of use to Britain.

A voice of common sense in the murky times of the lefties as ever Hamster :D

[LYM_Satyz]

Okay, highly qualified people would be appreciated, but not too much. Why don't you be a highly qualified person your own country. Why not benefit that country. You are ripping the jobs that the Brits don't have a chance to have.

Yes, I get your Point. Britain is one of the Most Developed countries.

And Also Some people want to get into the country and live in UK for 10 years. If they Live in UK for 10 years, they will Gain British Citizenship and they wil also get the British passport which will allow them to go to most of the countries in the world and Live there.

Other People come in because Pound Sterlings has one of the highest values in the whole world so if they convert it and send it back to someone back in heir country, it will benefit their family or the other person who gets the money a lot.

I hope u udnerstand what i am trying to say

[boltfw]

But Euro is higher than the pound so why not bugger up the European's lives?

[Hamsterwaffle]

Not sure where you've been, but the £ is still worth more than the EUro.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Also how does immigrants sending money back to their country help us? It doesn't it means that money that could be being spent in British shops is now being sent to Europe.

[boltfw]

Sorry, but the Euro is stronger than the pound........

check it up....

[LYM_Satyz]

Also how does immigrants sending money back to their country help us? It doesn't it means that money that could be being spent in British shops is now being sent to Europe.

Yes I know, I am talking about the Illegal people here. Some Legal people do it but still, its only some.
and yes Pound is Higher than Euros

[LYM_Satyz]

Sorry, but the Euro is stronger than the pound........

check it up....

Nope Pound is Stronger than Euro
Trust me, I travel around countries and I know!
1 GBP = 1.20 EURO or something
Thats the normal rate
It might have decreased due to the Stock market.
it Changes every Minute soo we cant say much about it

[boltfw]

you still haven't answered my question...why don't the immigrants go to Europe rather than this beloved nation of ours??

Btw, this website is only for british citizens and are you (LYM Satyz) one?

[LYM_Satyz]

you still haven't answered my question...why don't the immigrants go to Europe rather than this beloved nation of ours??

Btw, this website is only for british citizens and are you (LYM Satyz) one?

OMG did you just say that!
I am the Youth Mayor for my Borough
and the Elected member of Youth Parliament for Lambeth, London!
I represent all the Young People of my Borough!

I hope you really didn't mean That!

AND ANOTHER THING, IMMIGRANTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUNG PEOPLE!
You are Just Discriminating me and other people similar to me now! :mad:

[LYM_Satyz]

This Website is not JUST ABOUT BRITISH CITIZENS - Its All AABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE! I am a DIPLOMAT - We were Invited into this country by the government, I dont really care if we stay here or not. but I started liking this place and then wanted to help out people so I started as the MYP and represent my young people

[boltfw]

Like I said in my very first post in this thread, I do not want to insult anyone but it did say when I first joined this website (ie yesterday) that I had to be a British citizen. So I am not insulting anyone and I am merely making a statement.

And I couldn't really care less if you were a youth mayor or a YMP or whatever it's called. I would never ever become a politician as they, in my view, can be dire......

so please don't feel too offended, I am very careful about what I say, I just did not know how sensitive to these things you were.....

Understand?

[Hamsterwaffle]

you still haven't answered my question...why don't the immigrants go to Europe rather than this beloved nation of ours??

Exactly, there is a lot less people per sq mile in Europe than here, we are overcrowded and if we take any more we will start to sink.

[LYM_Satyz]

I get you yea but still

This is not about me or anything. This website is for young people. And I represent my borough. So do many other MYPs and DMYPs.

But you cant say this website is only for British Citizens.

Not takin it hard or anything but it really is not fair of you saying that!

[The Stapler]

wow this is some heated debate....

[LYM_Satyz]

Exactly, there is a lot less people per sq mile in Europe than here, we are overcrowded and if we take any more we will start to sink.

haha Start to sink. Well, thats something i cant answer. They dot go to other countries, i dont know why. but i like London becoz I Just Do! :D

[The Stapler]

But you cant say this website is only for British Citizens.



any1 can join the site but its mainly British citizens...

[boltfw]

Okay.......could we close this discussion as it is becoming an uneasy subject to talk about since I have already lit a spark etc.....

This website is for young people I understand that, but immigration does involve young people.......

[The Stapler]

so what r u two actually debating?

[LYM_Satyz]

Immigration Involves Young people in a Indirect way.

Immigration leads to racism and so on.

You started this thread so if you say, discussion ends here, Then so it shall!

:)

[Hamsterwaffle]

But you cant say this website is only for British Citizens.
While I may not agree with his words I'll defend to the death his right to say them.

[boltfw]

so what r u two actually debating?

We were debating about the fact that immigration could cause an controversy in this country and Satyz is arguing (well, more or less) against it..........

[make.me.smile]

Immigrants aren't going to Europe because it's easier coming here and also, they feel more welcome here. Satyz wasn't overreacting, it's out of line telling someone they don't have the right to use this website because of their origin - just because they're not agreeing with you. I'd love to have more people on here representing different backgrounds/religions/origins and all that.

[LYM_Satyz]

Immigrants aren't going to Europe because it's easier coming here and also, they feel more welcome here. Satyz wasn't overreacting, it's out of line telling someone they don't have the right to use this website because of their origin - just because they're not agreeing with you. I'd love to have more people on here representing different backgrounds/religions/origins and all that.

Thank You!
You really make me SMILE :D

lol

[boltfw]

Okay, just in case I insulted anyone especially Satya Panigrahi, I am extremely sorry.

[LYM_Satyz]

Okay, just in case I insulted anyone especially Satya Panigrahi, I am extremely sorry.

haha No worries man. It k
Things happen so I always follow - Forgive 'N' Forget!
:)

[LYM_Satyz]

Wait!
How did you get my full name ?
:rolleyes:

[boltfw]

You are all over the internet so i must say congrats for becoming youth mayor......

[LYM_Satyz]

loool
:D
Thanx

[Simrian]

I think that immigration is an issue however many britons are actually moving out of the country and going abroad for a better life style. For example my friend is moving to Dubai as he's been offerend an axceelent job and is going to be paid a lot more.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Immigrants aren't going to Europe because it's easier coming here and also, they feel more welcome here.
So we need to become less welcoming, either that or have some proper border controls. Either way unless something is done, someone is going to write on the white cliffs of Dover "Go away, we are full"

[LYM_Satyz]

So we need to become less welcoming, either that or have some proper border controls. Either way unless something is done, someone is going to write on the white cliffs of Dover "Go away, we are full"

I dont think you or anyone else would really want to be that someone.
If you wanna be rude to immigrants, then go ahead.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

its easier comming here beacause the french have got their priorities sorted, theyve set up a camp right next to the channel tunnel.

Satya, I understand both yours and bolts arguments, UKYP is a representative of British YP (theoretically) however in my opinion if you live here you deserve to have your say.

A word of advice if i may be so bold- you are clearly both proud of your origins and excited about comming to a land of opportunity- eg in where ever it is you were born you would never be given the opportunity to be young mayor. I can see you are keen to become britsh, in which case you need to adapt to the unique british ability to laugh at ones self and not to take things to heart.

[Hamsterwaffle]

I didn't say it was gonna be me, I'm saying there are a lot of intolerant people and if immigration stays as it is more and more people are going to agree with the BNP and then where will we be?

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

I can see in the future BNP is going to grow massivly in popularity. People will become dissilusioned and feel lost in their own country, islamic terror attacks will increase and petersbrough will become"find the brit". BNP will pry on this and people will see them as the only alternative. Indeed this is already happening

[Hamsterwaffle]

While people in the ethnic group "White British/Irish" will never become a minority in this country, the BNP will use figures and facts to drive fear into people, lets not give the BNP any more ammunition.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

Although i despise BNP and all it stands for, if one election there was a sudden BNP bounce and a good few seats were won by them it might make the government wake up and smell the coffee and realise they are destroying our nation

[Hamsterwaffle]

While Britain should have immigration it should have a proper immigration system, rather than an open door policy.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

Satya, if you do not mind i (and every1 else i am sure) would be interested to hear why you decided to leave your homeland and why you chose Britannia? What kind of greeting did you reccieve?

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

Ive had to cheer myself up following this debate. itunes was here to save me- Rule, Britannia, Lnd of Hope and Glory, Jerusalem, God save the Queen. Now I have restored my faith in the country! :P

[LYM_Satyz]

I didn't come here because i wanted to!
My dad was the Selected Ambassador for India in UK chosen by the UK Government. So basically we were Invited. I am a Diplomat. I dont want to go Into much details about Diplomats but i can tell you, it completely different than having ur ordinary passports. I think you should know what a Diplomat is.

I came in this country, i stayed her for 1 year. I really liked it and i was allowed to stay for longer. And then slowly got involved in Politics.
I liked it Here and So I stayed here! :cool:

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

did you feel accepted when you came? Clearly your father has bought needed asset to the country. I only oppose the 'freeloaders' who are only here fr the nhs

[Hamsterwaffle]

Wouldn't that make your father the diplomat, rather than you.

[LYM_Satyz]

Well At my first school where i stayed for 3 months - they tried doing stuff on me and it ended up in a Huge fight , me breaking glasses and loads of stuff happened after that. Then When i changed school, the new school was kool!

so yea at First, NO btu after that things gradually improved for me!

[LYM_Satyz]

Wouldn't that make your father the diplomat, rather than you.

No It makes the Whole Family Diplomat's

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

I could never imagine leaving Britain for good, 2 weeks away and im craving yorkshire tea and a deccent pasty!

[boltfw]

I didn't come here because i wanted to!
My dad was the Selected Ambassador for India in UK chosen by the UK Government. So basically we were Invited. I am a Diplomat. I dont want to go Into much details about Diplomats but i can tell you, it completely different than having ur ordinary passports. I think you should know what a Diplomat is.

I came in this country, i stayed her for 1 year. I really liked it and i was allowed to stay for longer. And then slowly got involved in Politics.
I liked it Here and So I stayed here! :cool:

Looks like that this debate is going to go on!! I wouldn't mind living in India! What is it like, Satya Panigrahi, to live in India? Are the conditions bad? Can't your father contribute to this immigration problem??

[LYM_Satyz]

haha, i think now u r Underestimating India arent you!
Well I dont care this time much. becuz India is the best.
its one of the countries with a sense or morality and also a high reputation. One of the fastest developing countries in the whole world.

But its still developing!

oh N btw Dont use my full name. This tells me that you are angry/****ed.
I can say from the use of language.

[LYM_Satyz]

My father can contribute, but As i sed earlier, it will lead to international issues.
Dont wanna ARGUE more about this S**T.

[boltfw]

Can't your father contribute to this immigration problem??

when I use your full name, no offence, it amuses me in a way!! I am not angry/****ed (btw I have given up alcohol for lent).......

Please don't be offended by this post, I believe that it shouldn't offend you!

And could you please answer the qu. in the quote. Thanks.

[make.me.smile]

Why don't we just say that we support immigration as long as the regulations are tightened and immigrants are checked up on so that there aren't freeloaders taking advantage of what is a great country?

[boltfw]

S**T.

Calm down, don't swear!!

I tried to seal this convo up but people resisted, just don't look at this thread ever again! It's that simple!!

[Hamsterwaffle]

Many things need to be checked before anyone should be allowed to step foot on these isles; criminal records, health problems, amount of children and whether they have had a job.

[LYM_Satyz]

Why don't we just say that we support immigration as long as the regulations are tightened and immigrants are checked up on so that there aren't freeloaders taking advantage of what is a great country?

Well, I want to but this keeps continuing so i have to answer back.
The UK Immigrations rules are really strict. And anyways the people who cant, end up coming here illegally!

Once Again I would Like to say, UK Immigration Rules are really tight and no other countries rules can compare to this.

[LYM_Satyz]

Calm down, don't swear!!

I tried to seal this convo up but people resisted, just don't look at this thread ever again! It's that simple!!

i wrote that on purpose!
I know when i am swearing and when i am not. It wasn't the automatic censorship.

and I am really calm soo yea :)

[make.me.smile]

Immigration should be more restircted. But I think the answer is 1) making immigrants take a language test around 6 months after they arrive, if they aren't up to scratch - they leave! It's as simple as that. This is difficult for adults of course, but it'll mean they make more of an effort to integrate rather than keeping to people of "their own kind" (I'm in no way being racist or anything like that bladibla you know what I mean).

[LYM_Satyz]

Immigration should be more restircted. But I think the answer is 1) making immigrants take a language test around 6 months after they arrive, if they aren't up to scratch - they leave! It's as simple as that. This is difficult for adults of course, but it'll mean they make more of an effort to integrate rather than keeping to people of "their own kind" (I'm in no way being racist or anything like that bladibla you know what I mean).

Yea I get yaa!
I dont think its going to be a problem with me n my Family at all. :P
But mostly i have noticed that people from Asia, write fluently but their way of pronunciation is very different. Even I had a few problems at the start but i worked on it and now i am good

[Hamsterwaffle]

Not to be racist, but there is a problem with certain immigrants only speaking their own language, in public this is quite anti social, and I also remember seeing a Polish language sign with no English translation.

[make.me.smile]

Exactly. I wouldn't expect people to get here fluent, but after 6 months you should pretty much grasp the language. Also this deadline will motivate you to just go out there, talk to people and therefor integrate.

[make.me.smile]

Exactly - so making them take a test will stop them doing this. They will know they have to learn the language within a limited amount of time. Put on some pressure but not on an unachievable level.

[LYM_Satyz]

I couldn't Agree more! Seriously!
That would be really good.
Umm... I think there should be a rule like this -

1. If a person speaks a different language and is requested to translate by anyone in the public, they will have to translate it and tell it to them no matter what! :P Just suggesting, this rule mite not work dunno:p

[make.me.smile]

lol I don't get the rule? So if I'm speaking German with my mum on the streets some randomer can come up to me and ask me what I'm saying? And I have to tell him? That makes no sense...

[LYM_Satyz]

yea something like that
lol this way if the person was cussing him or something or something like that they would know. lol Dunno

I told you this idea mite be stupid :p

[make.me.smile]

lol yeah just a bit...also thinking about tourists here and jsut everyday conversations and freedom of speech and all. This rule should apply to all written stuff though. As in shops etc should have everything written in English, even if say it's some posh restaurant that tries to seem even more posh by writing everything in French.

[LYM_Satyz]

Yea soemthing like that
Well Enough Argument on this topic for one day!
I really nee d to get some rest. I'm off :p:D

[Hamsterwaffle]

An idea for a slogan to be shown in all English ports and airports "Welcome to England, Now speak English."

[make.me.smile]

hehe that'd actually be pretty cool. Just a thought here though - what about Brits abroad. We are well-known for relying on everyone else to speak English in whatever part of the world we are...I smell a double-standard...

[Hamsterwaffle]

Well English is pretty much international standard, the UN speaks it and 51% of the EU can speak it.

[make.me.smile]

Doesn't mean we shouldn't live by our own rules. If you're in a foreign country you should at least try and speak their native language, even if they do understand English. I've always gotten on better with people in foreign countries after making the effort.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Yes Brits living abroad should learn the language of the place they have moved to.

[LYM_Satyz]

An idea for a slogan to be shown in all English ports and airports "Welcome to England, Now speak English."

If you add that slogan, the media wont stop to show it to the whole world and then the countries would start putting the same kind of sign board slogan.
It would be really funny.

English is International Standard!
Every1 I know can speak English in other countries >)

[Hamsterwaffle]

Another point on immigration, these adoptions from abroad should be stopped or at least restricted a hell of a lot more.

[make.me.smile]

I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean I get what you're trying to say - that we should be adopting our own orphans before getting them from across the globe - but adoption in general is tough enough. I don't think it should get any more restricted.

[Prepster35]

Right. I don't get it.
Are you saying that we should for example send my parents home? Even though I rightly am a British citizen?
Sounds very Margret Thatcher to me.

[make.me.smile]

Do they speak English fluently/work/integrate well intot he community - then no. If they are not integrating well, not making an effort with the language etc etc then of course. Trust me, I'm not going to be saying stuff liek that, it'd mean my mum would have to leave too (or is there a difference between those who have taken on British citizenship?).

[Hamsterwaffle]

I'm not saying we should deport all immigrants, only the illegals and legal ones that commit a crime, I'm saying that we should stop any more coming until we have an effective system of working out how many immigrants we need and what criteria they should meet.

[Asfandyar]

Is it fair for us British citizens to have immigrants coming into this country legal or illegal? Should we have a vast diversity of ethnicity in this country and having to worry about the Shia law etc. I believe not.

Although they may be good as employees for unwanted British jobs. But gang warfare can involve racism. What do you think that the government should do? Deport every single person who has just arrived in Britain within the last 5-10 years from an foreign country just so they can live here?

I don't want to be seen as racist bringing up this topic but it is something that I like to bring up!

I believe that you mean Sharia law! Shia is a branch of Islam that is followed by ~15% of Muslims!

Sorry to rant like this but I believe that things like this need to be pointed out in a political discussion on International affairs.

[:Vampiress:]

This argument seems lost as our government are importing tons of immigrants to start work for Olympics.

[Matt. P]

So they have been sitting on their hands for the last 2 years. I thought the person who said that was joking...

[Hamsterwaffle]

People need to understand the difference between disliking immigrants and disliking immigration.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

HERE HERE. In this day all you need do is mention immigration to an immigrant and yur deemed racist. The sad thing is the immigrants dont find it offenisve. In my opinion it is more offensive to be sensetive around an immigrant and taking care no to talk about immigration is more offensive than simply being open

[LYM_Satyz]

HERE HERE. In this day all you need do is mention immigration to an immigrant and yur deemed racist. The sad thing is the immigrants dont find it offenisve. In my opinion it is more offensive to be sensetive around an immigrant and taking care no to talk about immigration is more offensive than simply being open

WOW! Thats a really weird way of thinking m8.
YOu are really different.
What you talkin about though ?
Who is offended ? and how do you know the person is offended ?
and even if he is, its against UKYP to offend someone anyway / anyhow!

Oh, if u were talkin about me, i wasn't offended. i was just tellin how people judge everyone the same way. So be careful and think properly before you speak

[Matt. P]

I think he was trying to say that some immgirants would be more offended if you treated them differently than anyone else because of all the PC guidelines than if you treated them like a normal person, and that it most immigrants have no problem with the scoiety they live in but that doesn't stop politicans changing it in the name of "multi-culturalism". which actually causes more problems than it solves.

[LYM_Satyz]

Oh, I get what ya mean. But still... :confused:

I hope he meant it that way but the way he put it together, it sounded different.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Am I the only one appalled by Gordons refusal to put caps on immigration?

[Pioneer]

Nope, I'm sharpening my pitch-fork too.

In my opinion immigration should be outright stopped indefinitely, until we know who is coming in and who is going out.

I would also conduct and emergency census, although that may not be necessary as it's nearly 2011, to make sure we knew exactly who was where.
I'd use infra-red technology to see if there were more people in the house than the form said too.

I also believe immigrants, legal, illegal whatever should be automatically deported if they are convicted of a crime they could do jail time for, our jails are full to bursting point without us having to store other nation's trash as well as our own.

The problem is that it's whipping people into a frenzy, immigrants aren't monster taking our women and our jobs, they're mostly nice normal people from other countries who want the same opportunities and liberties w take for granted. However, the bad image is allowing extremism to rear it's interesting yet undesirable head.

[LYM_Satyz]

Nope, I'm sharpening my pitch-fork too.
...
I also believe immigrants, legal, illegal whatever should be automatically deported if they are convicted of a crime they could do jail time for, our jails are full to bursting point without us having to store other nation's trash as well as our own.

The problem is that it's whipping people into a frenzy, immigrants aren't monster taking our women and our jobs, they're mostly nice normal people from other countries who want the same opportunities and liberties w take for granted. However, the bad image is allowing extremism to rear it's interesting yet undesirable head.

That Already Happens mate! Immigrants are sent over back to their country straight away if they commit a crime unless they really have really good lawyers of course. I agree with your last paragraph. However, its just the legal immigrants who are nice i think and stuff. I also think that Immigrants lead to racism. I should know :cool:


To Pioneer - 'We must be The Change we wish to see in the World' - Ghandi

Its Spelt Gandhi Mate! Mahatma Gandhi and dont get me started on him coz i know like looooaaaads stuff about him :p

[:Vampiress:]

I find it funny when I read all the comments about immigrants "having no respect for our culture" and "carrying on as though they were still living in their own country", in the light of a recent report in the Independent newspaper that two-thirds of all Britons living in Spain not only know no Spanish but don't know any Spanish people. Apparently we can behave how we like abroad but God help you if you come into this country and try to retain your own culture. Rank hypocrisy.
If this country did not need any immigrants we have controlled our borders along time ago, even our prime minister says we need immigration.
Just read the article below, at least someone in power has some sense.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7324485.stm

[bensalisbury_sw]

I dont really have alot of views on this subject -

Will reply later, when i do some research.:D

[Spirited discussion]

The reason we get so many immigrants is not to do with us being soft at all - France has a much larger immigrant problem than us - with albanians, who speak french. What its to do with is language, people claim that immigrants cant speak english, that is by a vast majority wrong - although their english may not be good the bread-winning males do speak english. The women, and children, are less likely to speak english and it is a problem that needs sorting out.

Round here we get a lot of immigrants working on the farms and comming to the university, which are very different types. In my experience you can communicate with the (mostly east european here) quite easily, of course they have funny accents and their sentence structure is poor but they still speak english and that has a lot to do with why they come.

Oh, and for the last 2 years more poles have left the UK than arrived.

A lot of the families that come here are refugees rather than economic immigrants, and I for one don't condone sending back refugees. My dad runs a charity that helps refugees (who are often skilled in their own country) convert foreign qualifications to help them work here. Many of them end up on benefits for a year whilst they do conversion and language courses, but after that they work here, and most are more loyal to britain than many brits. There is the argument that they are "stealing our jobs" but in actual fact we need that to happen to stimulate our economy. In years to come we will need them to fund our parents pensions, the estimate is that in 2031 there will be 1 dependant for every working age person, that means we will have to effectively work for ourselves and loose tax to pay for our parents, its unsustainable in our current tax climate.

[kaity221]

I hate it when immigrants get deported, most of them are here because of the poor conditions in their home countries. Why can our government see that its not right to deport people to countries where they cannot make money, or they will be tortured, or even murdered.
The only problem is that some areas are hit heavily with immigration, like slough, but some ares dont get any immigrants. the areas with lots are havin their schools filled up and arent able to use many public services because they are so stretched. The government needs to put funding into these areas to make living conditions, and public services better for the immigrants and the people who have allways lived there.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Why not simply only let the immigrants we need in and make them go to the areas they are needed, saves a lot of money.

[kaity221]

What about the people who arent qualifies but need to take asylum in our country, by turning them away, its like putting them on death row.

[Hamsterwaffle]

They can go to France, Germany or any of the other countries that are less crowded than Britain.

[make.me.smile]

Agree with you hamster. But of course language makes a bit of a difference, I think that's one of the points that makes the UK so attractive to immigrants.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Well there is plenty of countries that speak English and have lower population and more landmass than Britain.

[KateChaos]

WILLIAM TELFORD INVESTIGATIONS EDITOR
Plymouth Evening Herald, 19th January 2008.


A family described as 'model citizens' are fighting to stay in Plymouth after immigration officials pounced on their home in a dawn raid and hauled them off to a detention centre.

The mother and six children, one of whom has a serious illness, were due to be put on a flight to Nigeria at 12.50pm yesterday.

But Helen and her children - Theresa, Winston, Mac, Emmanuel, Richard and Fred - received an 11th-hour temporary reprieve after a campaign by hundreds of Plymouth supporters and the intervention of Sutton MP Linda Gilroy, who will now meet Borders and Immigration minister Liam Byrne early next week.



It is hoped the family, who have lived in Plymouth for four years, will not be removed for at least two weeks, which will give them time to mount a legal challenge.

Plymouth supporters, including dozens of teenagers at Stoke Damerel Community College, were delighted that the family were not on their way to the Nigerian capital, Lagos.

But they were still vowing to continue the fight for a family who have been praised as 'pillars of the community'.

Mrs Gilroy, who has made representations on behalf of the family, said it is hoped they will be able to stay for up to three weeks.

She says they have not received anti-malaria jabs and it would be illegal to send them to Nigeria without them. The course takes up to 21 days.

But longer term, it is up to lawyers to attempt to obtain a judicial review.

In the interim, she wants Helen and her children to return to Plymouth - and the politician is keen for changes to be made so there is no repeat of the dawn raid experienced by Helen.

She said: "I am extremely upset, as others are, at this situation. I'm certain we can find a better way than having a dawn swoop on families."

Helen came to Britain in 2003 and moved to Plymouth a year later, when her husband returned to Nigeria.

The family, all church-going Christians, claimed asylum because they feared domestic 'abuse, cruel treatments and death threats' if they stayed in Africa, and also because Emmanuel, 14, suffers from sickle cell anaemia and the family fear for his health if they are forced to return to Nigeria where they can't afford medication.

But Helen's claim for asylum failed, and so did two appeals. She was told in December that they were to be removed back to Africa.

However, the family were stunned when officers from the Border and Immigration Agency swooped on their Lipson home at dawn, on Wednesday, and trooped them off to Yarl's Wood Immigration Removal Centre, near Bedford.

Friends have managed to contact the family at the centre and say they are in good spirits but want to return to Plymouth.

Lorna Sewell, chairwoman of Devon and Cornwall Refugee Support Council, said: "This is awful - to be in the city for so long and then suddenly whisked away."

Meanwhile, friends in Plymouth mobilised a campaign and teenagers at Stoke Damerel Community College, where four of the children studied, collected more than 200 signed letters from supporters, and sent them to the Home Office and MPs.

Alex Stupple-Harris, 17, from Stoke, said Government ministers had been 'bombarded with emails' since Thursday evening.

He said the family remained 'calm and very positive' and added: "They've been amazing friends. We told them we loved them and what we were doing. They were thankful."

Across the city supporters have praised the family as hard working and decent.

Helen has qualifications but, as an asylum seeker, was not allowed to work. She was not allowed benefits either and the family has survived on Government handouts given to asylum seekers, which is less than Income Support and includes food vouchers.

But Helen worked voluntarily for the Devon and Cornwall Refugee Support Council and as a researcher for the University of Lancashire. She is a governor at St Peter's Church of England School, Stonehouse, where her two youngest sons attended.

At the school, headteacher Steve Boatright called the Home Office's actions 'inhuman and un-Christian'. He added: "It's a really sad loss. We are a Christian country and should have Christian values.

"We said a prayer for the family in school and really hope they do not go to Nigeria, but that if they do go God will be with them and they will come to no harm."

At St Peter's Church, Stonehouse, where the family worshipped, Father Sam Philpott called them 'model citizens'.

He hoped they would be allowed to stay in Plymouth but, if not, added: "They will be sadly missed by my congregation and the community - they have made a real mark because they are decent people and make themselves at home in your hearts."

Theresa, 19, is a talented film-maker. She left Stoke Damerel Community College last summer with four A-levels and had been studying software design at City College. In November, she won a 'Frankie' in Plymouth's Motiongrafik movie awards.

Winston, 16, passed 12 GCSEs at Stoke Damerel last summer, gaining an A* in maths.

Half-brother Mac, 16, also did well in exams, passing six GCSEs. He is also a talented drummer and an R 'n' B record producer.

Emmanuel has done well in his SATs exams and won Stoke Damerel's Citizen of the Year award because he represented the school at conferences and took part in 'peer teaching'.

Stoke Damerel Community College head Carol Hannaford said the school was 'saddened' to hear about the family's plight, giving them full support. She added: "The students are very upset."

She praised the children's 'outstanding results' and the family's contribution and values, which made Plymouth 'a better community'.

Richard, six, and Fred, ten, were also described as good pupils by their head at St Peter's. They later moved to Salisbury Road School.

Ann Wilkinson, co-director of Plymouth's Racial Equality Council, said: "Without doubt this family is contributing to the city in many ways."

She praised the young people working to help Helen and her family and said: "It has given me hope for future generations. They have mobilised themselves and raised this as an issue."

[make.me.smile]

Not where it's as easy to get in.

[Hamsterwaffle]

There is still the rest of Europe they can go to, Britain is at a point when we can only accept the immigrants we need.

[KateChaos]

Immigrants are good for the economy; fair enough there's the minority who are terrorists, or seeking the housing/benefits for no apparent reason other than the cushty lifestyle the British government gives them, but as long as they earn their keep, whats the harm?

[make.me.smile]

See, the rest of Europe didn't get into the habit of letting anyone in, meaning we have a reputation. Plus Britain seems like the best chance for many immigrants. If we want to start only accepting the people we need we need to enfore some real regulations.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Look at the lack of people able to afford housing due to excess demand, that is the harm of excessive immigration.

[KateChaos]

But you're forgetting there is also that group of BRITISH people who receive benefits & are also making it harder for regular working class to get houses. It's not all on the immigrants backs.

[Hamsterwaffle]

No but there is still problems being caused by unrestricted immigration and once we work out who is here then we can begin working to get rid of the benefit class.

[KateChaos]

So what do you plan to do? Stop them at the airport exits, turn them back around & tell them to jump on the next plane to France?

[Hamsterwaffle]

No, before they come here to live they have to apply for the right to live here, they must prove they would be useful to Britain and have no STIs or hereditary disease, they would also have to agree to live in a certain area where they are needed for a few years.

[KateChaos]

I know that, I checked the difference between immigrant, refugee, asylum seeker etc before I posted that comment. How do you have the right to stop somebody moving over here? We migrate to different places - Spain & Australia being two common - and yet you want to turn away those who want to live here?

[Hamsterwaffle]

Australia and Spain aren't as crowded as Britain. Look at the size of Australia, and yet they have a lower population than us. Put Australia together with the Second largest country in the world, Canada, and the combined population is still lower than Britain. Britain is pretty much full.

[KateChaos]

So? More & more buildings are being built, more schools, more land is being built on & used.

[Spirited discussion]

Look at the lack of people able to afford housing due to excess demand, that is the harm of excessive immigration.

& the harm caused by oppositions to housing developments, but most of all the harm caused by second homes and a very high divorce rate.

[Hamsterwaffle]

And Britain is getting more and more crowded, basically if this continues you won't be able to go anywhere because it will be too crowded.

[make.me.smile]

Hamster's right. Even if it's not the only thing adding to our problems, it's a pretty big one. Needs to be regulated and language tests must be taken after 6 months or so to see people are really trying to integrate.

[Spirited discussion]

There's plently of space left, people just object to building on it.

I agree with the language tests though, there should be some enforcement of language learning.

[KateChaos]

As with everything, but we can't be too hard on the language thing - that would be hypocritical, what with the amount of British moving to Spain & not speaking Spanish, for example.

[Hamsterwaffle]

But thats because English is international standard, 51% of people in the EU can speak it. Also quite a few of them move to areas of Spain where Spanish isn't spoken due to the amount of Brits who have moved there.

[KateChaos]

Exactly! So if we can move abroad, take over parts of that country with our own English-speaking ways & expect them to cater for us, why can't we make an effort for them? Yes, they need to learn the language & yes it isn't right if they don't speak a word of English, but surely there is a midpoint.

[make.me.smile]

Spain isn't our responsibility. They should force the Brits to learn spanish - b ut we have to do the same over here.

[Hamsterwaffle]

When Spanish becomes international standard I'll agree with you but until then people moving here need to be able to speak English.

[KateChaos]

Should they be learning English before they arrive in Britain or learn it whilst they're here?

[Hamsterwaffle]

Beforehand, too much is spent in this country on translators when people should be speaking English.

[make.me.smile]

The point about Spain was that the Spanish can do what they want, if they expect us to learn Spanish they should bring in a similar policy I'm suggesting for the UK. I say they don't have to speak English, but after 6 months/1 year thay take a test to see the progress they've made.

[KateChaos]

What if learning before they come isn't an option? English is quite a hard language to learn.. I agree, make.me.smile, give them a chance at least to learn. (:

[make.me.smile]

You don't need translators for foreigers. I think I'm living proof of that thank you very much. As long as you make an effort you'll be fine and you'll pick up on it quickly enough.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Fine but if there is an immigrant who speaks English and meets the criteria and another that doesn't speak English and meets the criteria then the former should be chose.

[make.me.smile]

Depending on other qulifications and situation and family etc but yeah, I agree.

[KateChaos]

So, you're saying choose the entrance of immigrants based on how much English they speak?

[Hamsterwaffle]

I was talking in a purely hypothetical sense in that if both immigrants were identical other than language the one speaking English should be chose.

[KateChaos]

But what are the chances that they're going to be identical anyway? What about if one immigrant has good qualifications, has been very well educated & comes from a working class family but speaks hardly any English, and another had poor qualifications, has not had the best education & comes from a lower class family but speaks fluent English? What would you do then?

[make.me.smile]

Yeah, I agree with that. Of course there are other considerations to make, but makes sense to me. I think hamster would make the same choice as you and me, calm down lol.

[Hamsterwaffle]

They should pay for their own English lessons though.

[make.me.smile]

They don't need them in my opinion.

[KateChaos]

I'm not het up.. I just think it's unfair for those who hardly speak English & who wants a decent chance in life not to get one because of a simple language barrier which can easily be destroyed :/

[make.me.smile]

We have to make choices and we have to be a bit selfish about this seeing as it's then our fault/responsibility.

[KateChaos]

But what would be our fault? Allowing somebody to live a decent life?

[make.me.smile]

People not living up to our and their expectations.

[KateChaos]

I guess, but there are enough British people not living up to their own expectations, too.

[make.me.smile]

Yeah, but we're already stuck with them, no use getting more of them in.

[KateChaos]

But to keep out the 'non-expectation' as it were, you have to judge whether or not they're genuine.. Then you could be making the wrong choice - you could be turning away those who genuinely want to make a life here.

[make.me.smile]

There are always going to be exceptions. We'll have to take that chance.

[KateChaos]

Okay. I understand what you're saying.. What do you want to do if those accepted don't live up to the expectations? Would they just stay?

[make.me.smile]

Well that's the thing with the language test - if they don't pass - they leave.

[KateChaos]

Fair enough.

[Spirited discussion]

They don't need them in my opinion.

Hmm, thats only if they reguarly socialise with english-speakers whcih might be difficult for a new poor immigrant.

I'd say we should pay for starter lessons. Surely it cant be that expensive to get a previous immigrant from that country to teach them the basics?

[Hamsterwaffle]

As long as the migrant works in the country and pays taxes until the cost is recovered then I have no problem with them getting English lessons, but otherwise they should pay.

[make.me.smile]

Well seeing as they'd have to get a job straight away seeing as we wouldn't just put them on benefits I do see them socialising quite quickly. This would be a definite incentive to actually get out there and meet new people, rather than give them the choice to rely on English lessons. If they want lessons, they should pay for them.

[:Vampiress:]

They can go to France, Germany or any of the other countries that are less crowded than Britain.

France has a bigger immigrant problem than us, yet you don’t see the French kicking everyone out of there country and blaming immgrants on ‘stealing their jobs’ and ‘converting us to their cultures’.

No but there is still problems being caused by unrestricted immigration and once we work out who is here then we can begin working to get rid of the benefit class.

Recent HM revenue figures showed that out of all the people claming benefits over 80% of them are British citizens. So how can you blame immigrants for being the large majority of the benefit class?
So you would ban all people with hereditary disease from entering Britain? Are you aware most immigrants come here because their cultures look down or expel people with uncontrollable diseases such as Down’s syndrome or Sickle Cell Anaemia.

And Britain is getting more and more crowded, basically if this continues you won't be able to go anywhere because it will be too crowded.

That is the worst argument I have heard against immigration. So basically no matter who you are what situation your in ‘go home’ because Britain is full? What do you class a full? This country can sure as hell take it.
Look at how much obesity has risen im sure if this country can take thousands of overweight people it can hold some immigrants. Maybe it seems full because every where you look there is obesity. Maybe that’s what you should be campaigning against; obesity.

Spain isn't our responsibility. They should force the Brits to learn spanish - b ut we have to do the same over here.

So it’s okay for us to do what we want in other countries but anyone who tries to do the same here needs to be deported?
I would love to see them try to teach Brits Spanish, next thing you know we’ll be screaming human rights abuse.

Yeah, but we're already stuck with them, no use getting more of them in.

You all act as if it’s burden. When in fact US the British benefit from immigration look at it like this, the immigrants has attended school maybe or had their training in another country with the other country footing the bill. They then come over here and work for us, we benefit from there skills and we don’t have to pay for the training.

Well that's the thing with the language test - if they don't pass - they leave.

You would throw people out who are seeking asylum because they have not YET learned the English language?

[make.me.smile]

Okay - comment about Spain - what I meant was that if they want Brits to learn the language (which they should I agree), then they have to enforce it, just as we should do here.And about leaving if you do not pass the language test - yes, I do believe that if a person has been living in Britain for say 6months or so and they still don't have basic English down, they should leave. What's wrong with that?

[:Vampiress:]

Depends what do you consider basic English.
I consider it a general understanding of what is going on around you and interpreting information to a degree. I would think that in the first six months you would have other problems such as finding work, housing and taking care of children or something.

[make.me.smile]

Okay, maybe longer than six months, though without the basic English I htink it'd be very hard to find a job/housing etc. I just mean that people should feel a definite need to learn the language and integrate such as a test like the one I'm suggesting.

[:Vampiress:]

I think they would learn it for themselves aswell. But while there is discrimination and predjudice I don't think people will feel safe enough to leave there houses let alone join courses.

[Hamsterwaffle]

While I didn't see most of the Rageh Omar program on immigration last night, in the end bit where he summarised, he basically said that almost everyone, including immigrants, want immigration to be more restricted or stopped altogether.

[:Vampiress:]

No. I watched that and I think you'll find that he showed that people wanted immigration to heppen but in a more controlled way. So you don't have illegal aliens here.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Hence I said restricted.

[:Vampiress:]

Restricted sounds like stopping people entering. Which doesn't matter anyway as Gordon Brown today WITHOUT consent from any house or public made immigration illegal.

[Hamsterwaffle]

Really? He's shut the borders? VIVA LA GORDON!

[:Vampiress:]

Imagine me giving you a scathing look.
He hasn't shut the borders but he's declared that all immigrants who are not resgistered will be immediately deported. And before you pull out the Labrini it's being challenged so hold off the brass band.

[EmmaGallen]

Could Brown be any more Conservative? Seriously they should make it a rule that if you don't act like your party you have to move.

He should be a tory or in the BNP.

Immigration= not as bad as everyone makes out.

[Hamsterwaffle]

The conservatives are trying to be labour, labour is trying to be conservative. The only parties actually doing what they are supposed to are the small ones few people vote for. Immigration isn't a bad thing, its just that uncontrolled and unrestricted immigration are bad. We need criteria and caps on immigration. We are the most densely populated country in Europe.

[EmmaGallen]

Yeah we need criteria but I don't liekt he idea of people getting booted out of their homes to meet these caps.

[make.me.smile]

F*** Gordon Brown. What deos he think he's doing? I mean I agree that it should be more controlled etc, but not just kick out ANY immigrants without reviewing their case first...

[EmmaGallen]

That's what's awful. They don't look at individual cases which is just plain wrong.

[matt christodoulou]

Immigration is the thing, which gets on everyone nerves. I am backing up immigration, as many people come here because they are unsafe, where they are. e.g conflict, communist, radiation. I agree that they should move away. Other western European countries, do get people immigrating to them by the way.


But some people come into the country, without any meaning to. Making a nusiance and saying that they don't like the country. Well, if it was that bad, then why move here.

In future, we need to keep an eye who comes into the country, so no problems occur.

[Scott the Gent]

Did any one see Dispatches the other night? Was it dispatches.. think so!
Made me laugh.. all these coloured individuals saying Enoch was Right..
This fractured socitety with many immigrants living in segregated ghettos?
They said it wasn't the whites fighting the immigrants.. but the immigrants fighting each other!
Also that they live here.. but their hearts and minds are elsewhere..
If you want to love another country.. follow another culture.. WHY LIVE HERE?! :confused:

They warned of major trouble ahead!

[Gotlieb Alexander]

The thing is that immigration is not a bad thing but it can lead to bad things if it is very badly managed.

I believe that we are benefiting from eastern european migrants at the moment but I don't think that the effects of this are being used in out macroeconomic planning.

I don't know what the future holds for this country but imigrants are going to be part of it so the government should really start paying attention

[Scott the Gent]

But the handling was dreadful.
When there was this one mass immigration from West Africa when the Indians got kicked out there were distributed all over England in places like Devon and Yorkshire.. in 2years 20,000 had desended on Leister and turned on area to their own..

More Polish are leaving now than comming.

Immigrants are good. It's just our managing of them.. Giving benifits to a child in Poland :rolleyes: :confused:

I just dislike the ones who want to impose their own traditions and culture upon us.. why leave their own country!? Simply because life is so much better here.. They can't have it both ways! Good life or their culture!

[Samantha Stainforth]

We should allow Immigration in this country. But we need to have clear restraints on how many and on what conditions we allow immigrants into this country

Sam
xxxx
MYP Candidate for East Riding of Yorkshire

[Lewis Punter]

even though we need to have strong links with other countrys and there people i feel we do need to keep some immigration to a minimal.

[Samantha Stainforth]

We should allow immigration but we need to set out clear borders and have a cler poliyc on where we, as a country, stand on Immigration

Sam
xxxx

[PKDhande]

Without it, many industries in this country would literally crumble, and the country would fall to pieces as the few actual manufacturing companies that do still exist here move abroad to China, India and the like...

People are far too misinformed about immigration it's a joke...

[Hamsterwaffle]

We need immigration, but only a certain amount and only those who meet the required criteria.

[cig1705]

Immigration is undeniably necessary but:

I would favour giving Commonwealth nationals preference in immigration and severely limiting others' access to the UK. They are the ones with whom we share some deeper ties which, I think, politicians have somewhat neglected. I for one would always prefer a Commonwealth national over a non-Commonwealth one if they had the same (or broadly similar) skills, although, obviously, if the non-Commonwealth chap were far better, then he would have to be let in.

I'd also prefer to see quotas for non-refugee immigration: that way, we can accept the immigrants whose skills are needed in this country.

Was Enoch right? Immigration, not wholly through the immigrants' fault, has led to deep divisions in our society which have spilled over into racist killings, the Brixton riots, the Oldham riots and, of course, the London bombings. Like the Carthaginian, however, we are feeding the wound with our life-blood. We need to do more to integrate the current descendants of immigrants and immigrants themselves into British society (although the vast majoirty have so done, to our and their benefit) whilst at the same time ensuring that further immigrants are fully prepared to endorse and participate in the British way of life (although, obivously, without making them all a bunch of would-be Englishmen whose ancestors' cultures mean nothing to them or to us).

[Scott the Gent]

I'm fed up of saying 'yeh, they're brilliant'!

-No benifits for two years.
-A test after two years to see if they pass a British.
-A test after two years to see if they speak English.
If they fail.. OUT..

^^ Just like Sweden! Works for them! Can work for us!

If they want to live here they must follow our culture! We would be foreced to follow theirs if living in their country!

Stop being so scared of them

[kaity221]

I am british, but i would never pass the test, so why should they when its not their heritage.

[mypdavidsmith]

No it isnt there heritage but theyll be new to this country and not no are laws this test will find out if they will cope in the bristish life style or not.

[Liam Hannan]

Those who oppose immigration are clearly more concerned with xenophobia than economics.

The Farming industry (especially in the north east of scotland) relies entirely on this migrant and seasonal labour who are not getting in because of a change in SAWS.

news in the papers;

http://icperthshire.icnetwork.co.uk/blairgowrie/news/tm_headline=threat-to-berry-jobs%26method=full%26objectid=20805944%26siteid=88 886-name_page.html

[kaity221]

The questions on the tests are stupid and most brittish people would not be able to answer them, they are about the history of the royal family and stuff, who cares if someone from pakistan knows who the queens great grandfather is?

[Jambar]

I think most people now realise the issue is no longer whether we shoul)d have immigration (you'd be stupid to close the door and say "we're full"; the question is at what level do we have too many immigrants and can our public services cope.

[atearth]

the question is at what level do we have too many immigrants and can our public services cope.

Apply the above comment to the population of earth.

too high or too low or perfect?

[PKDhande]

I think most people now realise the issue is no longer whether we shoul)d have immigration (you'd be stupid to close the door and say "we're full"; the question is at what level do we have too many immigrants and can our public services cope.

The BNP think just that! And on the Mock Poll they have 8% of the votes currently! This was again perpetuated in this year's party broadcast election.

Oh dear.

[Scott the Gent]

The BNP think just that! And on the Mock Poll they have 8% of the votes currently! This was again perpetuated in this year's party broadcast election.

Oh dear.

Seriously! 8% :eek: wow!
Shame they have no other serious policies :(

[Jambar]

Shame they have no other serious policies :(

That implies they have serious policies in the first place......nope, don't see any of them lying around anywhere.

[The Rt Hon Dan Irwin]

I think it s important immigrants take the test. Infat we all should. If immigrants learn about British culture they will find it easier to understand

[Scott the Gent]

But it's funny! How with one policy - repatrionization, they can get 8% of votes!
Imagine if they had any other decent policies that had following!

[Jambar]

I think the 8% quoted refers to the poll in the Mock Election Thread. Only 26 people have voted in that poll and that 8% transfers in to a grand total of 2 people. I wouldn't take that as a representation of the BNP's electoral fortunes in the country at large considering the fact they got just 0.7% of the vote in the last general election.

[Scott the Gent]

ahh right :D
Exactly! Thats what I thought!

[:Vampiress:]

I'm fed up of saying 'yeh, they're brilliant'!
-No benifits for two years.
-A test after two years to see if they pass a British.
-A test after two years to see if they speak English.
If they fail.. OUT..
^^ Just like Sweden! Works for them! Can work for us!
If they want to live here they must follow our culture! We would be foreced to follow theirs if living in their country!
Stop being so scared of them


There much better than the current citizens or else they wouldn't be need. In fact immigrants are what keep this country afloat, You can't seem to appreciate what they do for this country. And maybe your slightly envious because the rest of Britain will never be able to have that good of a reputation. See they actually work for there wages. And obviously alot harder than most British citizens.
Why the hell would anyone work if they got no benefits? So slobs who mess up there education and get knocked up should get council houses and benefits. But then people who comes here to actually contribute to the economy should get jack all because they need to "prove" themselves.
And pray tell me what is being a British? Moaning about immigrants stealing everything, getting drunk and fighting, not raising their kids properly which is why there are out of control kids, making their kids fat and getting knocked up at an early age? What exactly is your definition of being British?

I can agree with the English one because that benefits everyone.

If they fail out? I wish that applied to every British citizen how much do you want to bet the country would be a ghost town?
Do we look swedish? Im sorry does this country speak dutch? Is our capital Stockholm? So why the hell are we playing copy cat with them?

Did you even bother to read the rest of the thread before you answered? If you've miss it i'll repost it for you

I find it funny when I read all the comments about immigrants "having no respect for our culture" and "carrying on as though they were still living in their own country", in the light of a recent report in the Independent newspaper that two-thirds of all Britons living in Spain not only know no Spanish but don't know any Spanish people. Apparently we can behave how we like abroad but God help you if you come into this country and try to retain your own culture. Rank hypocrisy.
If this country did not need any immigrants we have controlled our borders along time ago, even our prime minister says we need immigration.
Just read the article below, at least someone in power has some sense.


So we would be forced to follow theirs? Hmm a national statistic says otherwise. Why should anyone be scared of them? The only people who should be scared are the immigrants because in my opinion they are landing in one of declining countries of the world. It's own citizens are fleeing it. That is saying something.