View Full Version : Who is this God person anyway?
Dirk/DSF
02-17-2009, 15:27
I want to know who exactly religious people think God is. Theology is very interesting, i think. So the easiest way i figured, was just to ask. So, shoot. I might ask questions, if i see the need. This is NOT about whether God exists, just what kind of being he/she/it is.
kaity221
02-17-2009, 18:47
I used to think there was no way there could ever be a 'god', that the idea was just mental and completely un-believable. Im now a little more open minded to the fact that there could be a god, in the sense of something which has ultimate control, something that has the power to change the path of peoples life.
Whether there is an actual god or not, when people believe in one the power of these beliefs can be immense and the possibly made up 'god' in peoples mind does have power and this comes because of these beliefs.
ciara_squires
02-17-2009, 20:28
in the sense of something which has ultimate control, something that has the power to change the path of peoples life.
Whether there is an actual god or not, when people believe in one the power of these beliefs can be immense and the possibly made up 'god' in peoples mind does have power and this comes because of these beliefs.
sounds very pantheistic :), i don't believe there could be a god or that some invisable being invented the world, not logical enough for me...but the idea of god is very powerful and it keeps some people happy so fair enough in my view it's the same as the idea of santa keeping children happy...whatever gets ya through the day
I believe 'God' is just a word for the unknown.
The concept of God has been debated among the innermost circles of intellect for thousands of years, from the halls of Oxford to secret circles in Central Europe.
If you think a forum for under-18s is going to uncover a new, startling theological or metaphysical truth, think again...
Dirk/DSF
02-18-2009, 15:20
I used to think there was no way there could ever be a 'god', that the idea was just mental and completely un-believable. Im now a little more open minded to the fact that there could be a god, in the sense of something which has ultimate control, something that has the power to change the path of peoples life.
Whether there is an actual god or not, when people believe in one the power of these beliefs can be immense and the possibly made up 'god' in peoples mind does have power and this comes because of these beliefs.
So you believe that any "God" is a different being and has different importance to each person in a unique way?
kaity221
02-18-2009, 16:19
So you believe that any "God" is a different being and has different importance to each person in a unique way?
In short.. yes
though im still not sure whether i believe in one or not..
bananacustard
02-19-2009, 12:34
God, to me, is an all powerful loving being. The reason he doesn't control everything is that because he is loving, he wanted us to have choice and freedom, and see how we lived our lives. That's why he feels he can't control everything.
yeah god spoke to me the other day and told me he was a twoheaded furry dragon. he also enjoys playing cludo.
bananacustard
02-19-2009, 12:54
God, to me, is an all powerful loving being. The reason he doesn't control everything is that because he is loving, he wanted us to have choice and freedom, and see how we lived our lives. That's why he feels he can't control everything.
double posting makes god cry.
soph41190
02-19-2009, 14:32
God, to me, is an all powerful loving being. The reason he doesn't control everything is that because he is loving, he wanted us to have choice and freedom, and see how we lived our lives. That's why he feels he can't control everything.
Contradictory seeing as the positions of priests and vicars ensure that our 'interpretations' are meaningless.
kaity221
02-19-2009, 15:46
Contradictory seeing as the positions of priests and vicars ensure that our 'interpretations' are meaningless.
Only to people reffering to a christian god
Marcus89
02-19-2009, 16:07
I'm God :p
kaity221
02-19-2009, 16:08
I'm God :p
:eek: Ofcourse.. why did no-one notice this before?!
its all starting to make sense now...
Dirk/DSF
02-20-2009, 10:53
I'm God :p
Which one?
Which one?
he is all of them :eek: now bow to your Lord Marcus! *grovels*
Dirk/DSF
03-01-2009, 14:14
God, to me, is an all powerful loving being. The reason he doesn't control everything is that because he is loving, he wanted us to have choice and freedom, and see how we lived our lives. That's why he feels he can't control everything.
Wait, you said he can't control everything, and yet that he is all powerful. Do you rather mean that he doesn't WANT to control everything and so we have choice and freedom? Or do i understand you wrong?
Dirk/DSF
03-01-2009, 14:17
he is all of them :eek: now bow to your Lord Marcus! *grovels*
Sorry, it's against my morals.
Marcus89
03-01-2009, 14:24
Wait, you said he can't control everything, and yet that he is all powerful. Do you rather mean that he doesn't WANT to control everything and so we have choice and freedom? Or do i understand you wrong?
Choices in our lives do not exceed the possibilites that our situations and surroundings govern. The question is, does such governing factors occur through the course of natural happenings, or planned by some divine spirit?
Sorry, it's against my morals.
Your morals being?
Sorry, it's against my morals.
"THE LORD Marcus will smite those that deny to grovel at his feet"-crackcocainiticus:3 verse:12
Marcus89
03-01-2009, 14:28
"THE LORD Marcus will smite those that deny to grovel at his feet"-crackcocainiticus:3 verse:12
*Smites Mockler* You got it wrong!! its Majarwanaicious:3 verse 15! :p
I have failed you :(
+ ouch
soph41190
03-01-2009, 22:56
:eek: Ofcourse.. why did no-one notice this before?!
Odd though. He is just as likely to be God as anyone/thing else.
Dirk/DSF
03-02-2009, 11:39
Your morals being?
My morals being governed by my own system of secular ethics and political morality. No sentient being is superior or inferior to any other sentient being. If there is a "higher being", i will still not kneel before it/s/he because my only point of reference are my comrades - that is every other person, not only other Marxists. Death before acceptance of oppression!
*Awaits Marcus smiting him*
Dirk/DSF
03-02-2009, 16:51
The concept of God has been debated among the innermost circles of intellect for thousands of years, from the halls of Oxford to secret circles in Central Europe.
If you think a forum for under-18s is going to uncover a new, startling theological or metaphysical truth, think again...
And do you have anything helpful to say on the subject?
Dirk/DSF
03-02-2009, 16:53
yeah god spoke to me the other day and told me he was a twoheaded furry dragon. he also enjoys playing cludo.
I don't like cluedo. I keep getting annoyed that Mr Black has a huge mansion.
soph41190
03-02-2009, 17:32
The concept of God has been debated among the innermost circles of intellect for thousands of years, from the halls of Oxford to secret circles in Central Europe.
If you think a forum for under-18s is going to uncover a new, startling theological or metaphysical truth, think again...
Oh please. How can you be an expert on something that arguably does not exist. It is attitudes like that that renders religion the foul, inaccessible thing it is. This notion that one elderly man in a suit can study it for eternity and therefore be an expert, and no one else dare challenge him unless they have a PHD in guesswork. That's how priests, vicars, rabbis, all these came about, so they manipulated us, and the cycle continues.
A child is as likely, if not more, as their minds are not corrupted by pretentiousness, theory and politics, to fathom the concept of God.
Dirk/DSF
03-03-2009, 14:28
I believe 'God' is just a word for the unknown.
I like the idea of the word "God" as a metaphor. In the same way that Einstein used the word.
Dirk/DSF
03-03-2009, 14:33
Choices in our lives do not exceed the possibilites that our situations and surroundings govern. The question is, does such governing factors occur through the course of natural happenings, or planned by some divine spirit?
1. Well, no, of course not. That's not even an answer, it's logic.
2. No, that's not the question. If you want to start a dispute on the existence of God, make a seperate thread and i'll be happy to argue against (God's existence).
devilsadvocate
03-05-2009, 17:19
'god' is what people would like to exist yet it does not,
'god' is what many who do not have enough education fill in the empty space of what they don't know,
'god' is like a medical drug after too much use you become dependant to it when you probably could have got better without it and now see it as something to survive or something you must live with,
'god' is not there, never has been and never will be,
I cannot say that I know 'god' definitely doesn't exist(that would be un-scientific like the many religious figures that claim that 'god' definitely exists) but I can still say I believe 'god' doesn't exist as a lot of scientific research suggests otherwise.
orcprocess
03-05-2009, 18:20
but I can still say I believe 'god' doesn't exist as a lot of scientific research suggests otherwise.
*ahem* does that mean that you do not believe God exsists because a lot of evidence suggest god does exisists? :P
(filler)
ciara_squires
03-06-2009, 08:27
'god' is what people would like to exist yet it does not,
'god' is what many who do not have enough education fill in the empty space of what they don't know,
'god' is like a medical drug after too much use you become dependant to it when you probably could have got better without it and now see it as something to survive or something you must live with,
'god' is not there, never has been and never will be,
Agree with most of that
Dirk/DSF
03-06-2009, 10:58
'god' is what people would like to exist yet it does not,
'god' is what many who do not have enough education fill in the empty space of what they don't know,
So you are saying that "God" is a social construct to explain things they don't understand?
'god' is like a medical drug after too much use you become dependant to it when you probably could have got better without it and now see it as something to survive or something you must live with,
Does people's dependence on religion not mean that on some level, many people "need" religion?
devilsadvocate
03-08-2009, 19:22
Does people's dependence on religion not mean that on some level, many people "need" religion?
I do not wish to say that its the same for all religious people as I cannot be absolutely definite on that, however it is true for a lot of religious people.
make.me.smile
03-09-2009, 00:04
'god' is what people would like to exist yet it does not,
'god' is what many who do not have enough education fill in the empty space of what they don't know,
'god' is like a medical drug after too much use you become dependant to it when you probably could have got better without it and now see it as something to survive or something you must live with,
'god' is not there, never has been and never will be,
I cannot say that I know 'god' definitely doesn't exist(that would be un-scientific like the many religious figures that claim that 'god' definitely exists) but I can still say I believe 'god' doesn't exist as a lot of scientific research suggests otherwise.
You cannot say that God is something people would like to exists yet it does not, as you have no idea, along with the rest of us.
God is also something anyone turns to when things such as science let them down. When they've run out of explanations or being rational or having the strength to do either.
I don't think you should be the one to judge whether or not people would be better off without religion and I think that that is where your comparison with a drug falters.
I cannot say that God definitely exists, and I cannot say that he doesn't either. But why do we need to define everything. In the end, God helps many people - so why do you want to take that away from them?
Marcus89
03-09-2009, 01:31
You cannot say that God is something people would like to exists yet it does not, as you have no idea, along with the rest of us.
Why can't he? He has the right to say what he wants really. Having an idea or not.
God is also something anyone turns to when things such as science let them down. When they've run out of explanations or being rational or having the strength to do either.
God is something we're told to turn to, to ask for hope etc. However we're told to turn to Santa Claus at Christmas. Anything can be explained and rationalised if enough time is given.
I don't think you should be the one to judge whether or not people would be better off without religion and I think that that is where your comparison with a drug falters.
So MPs and Gov't can judge what is right for a society or not, but someone cannot judge on whether religion is good for someone or not? Thats hardly right. I can say that religion doesn't help people if I wish and present information to back my point up.
I cannot say that God definitely exists, and I cannot say that he doesn't either. But why do we need to define everything. In the end, God helps many people - so why do you want to take that away from them?
In the end, the churches say God helps people, for all we know, asking God for help doesn't mean God helps you, it may just be a change in perspective. Also, I don't like the idea of the possibility of putting hope in something that may not be real. It's false hope.
Apparently experiments show that when Catholics were given a dose of electric they experienced less pain when shown a picture of the Virgin Mary than an atheist in the same situation.
So religion does help people, especially the sick.
Marcus89
03-09-2009, 08:40
Apparently experiments show that when Catholics were given a dose of electric they experienced less pain when shown a picture of the Virgin Mary than an atheist in the same situation.
So religion does help people, especially the sick.
Again is it real or is it psychological? I can increase my pain threshold if I want to or concentrate.
kaity221
03-09-2009, 08:43
Apparently experiments show that when Catholics were given a dose of electric they experienced less pain when shown a picture of the Virgin Mary than an atheist in the same situation.
So religion does help people, especially the sick.
Yeah.. sure
Dirk/DSF
03-09-2009, 08:49
Apparently experiments show that when Catholics were given a dose of electric they experienced less pain when shown a picture of the Virgin Mary than an atheist in the same situation.
So religion does help people, especially the sick.
Yes, but on the other side, what if you did the same experiment with two children and a comfort blanket? Same result, i'd guess. (Don't do this - this is hypothetical).
devilsadvocate
03-19-2009, 18:08
*ahem* does that mean that you do not believe God exsists because a lot of evidence suggest god does exisists?
Sorry my mistake, what I meant was that I do not believe in 'god' because there is a lack of evidence for 'god'. :o
devilsadvocate
03-19-2009, 18:10
So you are saying that "God" is a social construct to explain things they don't understand?
Pretty much.
Michael Prosser
03-19-2009, 18:13
So you are saying that "God" is a social construct to explain things they don't understand?
I agree with him that in most cases this is the truth.
Does people's dependence on religion not mean that on some level, many people "need" religion?
Yes although only so far as the current generation, one generation without religious parents and being taught to deal with issues a different way and I'm sure most people like this would be gone (not that I advocate child theft or genocide of the religious).
boo-ali chaudhry
03-22-2009, 21:10
why get sarcastic ,
that's insulting the people here that DO believe in God ,
so just shut up and think b4 u speak
TheAngriestLeftyInTheWest
03-22-2009, 21:53
why get sarcastic ,
that's insulting the people here that DO believe in God ,
so just shut up and think b4 u speak
I'll say what I want and burn in hell I suspect.
Michael Prosser
03-23-2009, 16:28
why get sarcastic ,
that's insulting the people here that DO believe in God ,
so just shut up and think b4 u speak
I wasn't being sarcastic at all... that's honestly what I believe including me not advocating child murder or genocide. Given that this thread has essentially descended into us each discussing our beliefs I'd suggest that you are the one being offensive and sarcastic denying us our free speech and beliefs. I and all the other people who agreed did think before we spoke and I suspect you didn't so go deal and lose th painful hypocrisy...
I also agree with angry, if I'm right then I haven't wasted my life with something pointless, if I'm wrong then I'll burn in hell for all eternity, if I'm wrong however I'll burn in hell with all the interesting people (don't accuse me of insulting you again... that's honestly what I believe, you might want to check the arguments I and a few others had with jake.b before you accuse me of unthinking religious intolerance).
Hamsterwaffle
03-23-2009, 17:13
Apparently experiments show that when Catholics were given a dose of electric they experienced less pain when shown a picture of the Virgin Mary than an atheist in the same situation.
So religion does help people, especially the sick.
Then same could probably be said of a die hard Mugabe supporter being shown an image of the man. By your logic, racist dictators help people, especially the sick.
Marcus89
03-23-2009, 17:41
why get sarcastic ,
that's insulting the people here that DO believe in God ,
so just shut up and think b4 u speak
I have a right to freedom of speech and expression. I firmly believe that that right should be absolute. If I wish to mock religion, I will do so. If you don't like it, I will tell you what I tell everyone - I care not.
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