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BlackPrincess
06-06-2008, 19:01
What is up with this man?
Somebody please tell me what is this guy's problem.
Millions of his people are going to face starvation because he thinks the aid workers are working against him. He needs to be sacked or fired or whatever before it's too late.
Or isit already too late?
Hamsterwaffle
06-06-2008, 19:53
The only thing I want to hear about Robert Mugabe is "Tango Down".
RobClews
06-06-2008, 20:01
Don't you mean Sir Robert Mugabe?
Something needs to be done with him anyway.
monorail
06-06-2008, 20:08
Don't you mean Sir Robert Mugabe?
Something needs to be done with him anyway.
Actually no, as a non-British national his knighthood was awarded as honourary, thus he cannot use the title "Sir". He can, I believe use the initials KBE after his name.
That monster got a knighthood? Well he can bend over and cram it, I second Hamsterwaffle, the only 3 letters I want anywhere near his godforsaken name or RIP (P being pieces, not peace)
That monster got a knighthood? Well he can bend over and cram it, I second Hamsterwaffle, the only 3 letters I want anywhere near his godforsaken name or RIP (P being pieces, not peace)
They are currently 'reviewing' his knighthood and will most likely remove it.
matt christodoulou
06-07-2008, 07:30
Mugabe just can't do anything right. He can't take defeat. That's how silly he is. Couldn't he just let the other man take charge and help Zimbabwe.
JoeSavage
06-07-2008, 08:36
The UN shoudl step in now! This si ridiculous behaivour. He evn wen tot the UN summit on world food shortages, well his country needs food and what is he doing starving them into defeat. This isnt democracy this is a dicatorship!
If the US army should be any where its here.
Personally i wish that the UN had this power but they dont.
A loin without its teeth and claws.
Just a big, really big cuddly cat
What happened to the "breadbasket of Africa"? Oh wait, its not being farmed because Mugabe's cronies don't see the point of growing food while their people starve...
Mugabe has just announced that MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai has been arrested - again!
Also: Mugabe has said that even if the MDC win he will lead the army to retake power and 'protect the revolution'
Source:BBC News channel - here is the BBC News article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7454569.stm)
Speaking at the burial of a former independence fighter, Mr Mugabe said he would never accept the MDC taking over the government of Zimbabwe.
He described the opposition as "traitors" and referred to Zimbabwe's past struggle for independence from its colonial ruler, Britain, saying the country should not be "lost" again.
"It shall never happen... as long as I am alive and those who fought for the country are alive," he is quoted by AFP as saying.
"We are prepared to fight for our country and to go to war for it."
Hamsterwaffle
06-14-2008, 12:31
Mugabe has just announced that MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai has been arrested
Also: Mugabe has said that even if the MDC win he will lead the army to retake power and 'protect the revolution'
Source:BBC News channel - here is the BBC News article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7454569.stm)
He's going to start a civil war. Someone needs to put a bullet in his head before he does.
PKDhande
06-14-2008, 12:40
No! That's FAR too pleasant... like I said, beat him with a metal pole.
He's going to start a civil war. Someone needs to put a bullet in his head before he does.
Do you think Mark Thatcher would be up for another African coup?
Is he still in prison?
Hamsterwaffle
06-16-2008, 23:00
From now on I will only ever refer to the country as Rhodesia, in the hope somehow Mugabe is a bit annoyed.(Normally I use either name, depending on the context)
From now on I will only ever refer to the country as Rhodesia, in the hope somehow Mugabe is a bit annoyed.(Normally I use either name, depending on the context)
But you may offend Zambia too, weren't they part of the original Rhodesia (they may have since been North Rhodesia or something)?
Wasn't rhodesia just as bad as Mugabe?
Wasn't rhodesia just as bad as Mugabe?
No Ian Smith was good, he could walk through the slums without security, unlike Mugabe. He declared independence and led a minority White government, when Mugabe took power Ian Smith regularly offered help in running the country but Mugabe refused. Ian Smith refused to leave Rhodesia/Zimbabwe because he always said that he was Rhodesian/Zimbabwean and wouldnt leave his homeland.
I mean he had an apartheid government.
Oh yeah, he did almost until the end but to be fair Rhodesia under Smith was probably better than Zimbabwe under Mugabe (unless you're a Black Nationalist).
Hamsterwaffle
06-17-2008, 15:28
Wasn't rhodesia just as bad as Mugabe?
Black people may not have had the vote(They do now but it doesn't matter who they vote for) but there was food on the shelves and they had the best healthcare system for black and whites in the whole of Africa I believe.
Fair enough. I would normally stay out of all kinds of foreign interventions as it will inheritantly impact in ways we don't predict, will increase support for nationalist groups loyal to Mugabe by making his propoganda appear true, undoubtly injure innocent Zimbabweans and set a precedent for other countries and future generations, even if currently it is for an "extreme" case.
However the UN and AU (with our support) could legally intervene for a better if civil war interrupted, as has been shown in Bosnia and Sierra Leone. If we did this, rather than just invade with the americans, most of these problems would not materialise.
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 13:29
Zimbabwe has a population of just over 20 000 000 people. If they truly want Mugabe and his 25 year regime to end, all I say to them is this, throw him out your selves, revolt, rise up against him!
Jess16123
06-18-2008, 13:34
easy for you to say as a member of a truly democratic and safe state.
I have friends out there who want to do that but know they will get shot if the do. They have seen people around beaten and burned because of merely voting against mugabe then the people are made to tell them other people opping mugabe. Then those people are tortured until more names are given and so the circle goes on.
So know it's not as easy as that!
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 16:15
easy for you to say as a member of a truly democratic and safe state.
I have friends out there who want to do that but know they will get shot if the do. They have seen people around beaten and burned because of merely voting against mugabe then the people are made to tell them other people opping mugabe. Then those people are tortured until more names are given and so the circle goes on.
So know it's not as easy as that!
I presume that all of this is aimed at my comments. I do know that about this terrible postion that the people of Zimbabwe are in. But a complete revolution in Zimbabwe of 20 000 000 all at the same time, can't be surpressed by the army of Zimbabwe.
Hamsterwaffle
06-18-2008, 16:16
I presume that all of this is aimed at my comments. I do know that about this terrible postion that the people of Zimbabwe are in. But a complete revolution in Zimbabwe of 20 000 000 all at the same time, can't be surpressed by the army of Zimbabwe.
Remember that a large minority in Rhodesia still support Mugabe, and believe the problems are all down to the "British Imperialists"
BlackPrincess
06-18-2008, 18:50
Zimbabwe has a population of just over 20 000 000 people. If they truly want Mugabe and his 25 year regime to end, all I say to them is this, throw him out your selves, revolt, rise up against him!
Great and funny idea!
If this really was to happen, do you think other countries should get involved or should we just leave it for the Zimbabwe people.
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 18:55
Zimbabwe has a population of just over 20 000 000 people. If they truly want Mugabe and his 25 year regime to end, all I say to them is this, throw him out your selves, revolt, rise up against him!
The problem is that there are too many people who support him
BlackPrincess
06-18-2008, 18:57
The problem is that there are too many people who support him
Why would people support him? Can't they see that he is an evil man and he is causing harm?
Hamsterwaffle
06-18-2008, 18:58
Why would people support him? Can't they see that he is an evil man and he is causing harm?
Propaganda. He portrays himself as a hero, rescuing the country from its white British oppressors.
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 19:00
Great and funny idea!
If this really was to happen, do you think other countries should get involved or should we just leave it for the Zimbabwe people.
Let's apply the birdwatching theory. Keep your distance, don't interfere and try not to provoke into going nuclear.
Hamsterwaffle
06-18-2008, 19:02
Let's apply the birdwatching theory. Keep your distance, don't interfere and try not to provoke into going nuclear.
Nuclear? Mugabe doesn't have any nukes.
And we have attempted a watch and wait approach, but that has failed. Rhodesia is about to descend into civil war.
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 19:05
Why would people support him? Can't they see that he is an evil man and he is causing harm?
Yes he is causing harm to the majority, but to the benefit of some.
Like when he steals the farms the people who lose them hate him and the people who get given them love him, and these people have the power and money to stop the majority in the revolution.
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 19:06
Nuclear? Mugabe doesn't have any nukes.
And we have attempted a watch and wait approach, but that has failed. Rhodesia is about to descend into civil war.
He may not have any nukes now, but any country could sell them to him. I think that if we were to interfere we could have another Iraq on our hands. If a civil war breaks out in Zimbabwe, Mugabe will have to loose. Failing that military action by the UN may be needed.
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 19:08
He may not have any nukes now, but any country could sell them to him. I think that if we were to interfere we could have another Iraq on our hands. If a civil war breaks out in Zimbabwe, Mugabe will have to loose. Failing that military action by the UN may be needed.
Mugabe doesn't have the money to buy nuclear weapons.
It wouldn't be another Iraq, the problem with Iraq is that the population are too divided to form a fair democratic government, at least in Zimbabwe there is some common agreement amongst the population
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 19:15
Mugabe doesn't have the money to buy nuclear weapons
He has been buying guns from China.
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 19:56
He has been buying guns from China.
Guns are a lot cheaper than nukes though
He has been buying guns from China.
China will sell guns to anybody - because it is an 'internal conflict' so China doesn't care why he wants the guns (same with Sudan). China don't sell any military harder better than a submachine gun really.
Hamsterwaffle
06-18-2008, 20:07
China will sell guns to anybody - because it is an 'internal conflict' so China doesn't care why he wants the guns (same with Sudan). China don't sell any military harder better than a submachine gun really.
I think China's military hardware is mostly old stuff from the Cold War, 60s and 70s stuff. I suppose we could sell some of our old weapons to Mugabe's opponents, but I am skeptical of arming revolutionary groups, it could come back to bite us.
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 20:08
I think China's military hardware is mostly old stuff from the Cold War, 60s and 70s stuff. I suppose we could sell some of our old weapons to Mugabe's opponents, but I am skeptical of arming revolutionary groups, it could come back to bite us.
Yeah, just look at the Taliban, America thought it would be fantastic to arm the Afghan resistance againsts the Soviets and then :eek:
Hamsterwaffle
06-18-2008, 20:11
Yeah, just look at the Taliban, America thought it would be fantastic to arm the Afghan resistance againsts the Soviets and then :eek:
An idea would be to sell electronic guns, that we can deactivate if they turn against us.
I think China's military hardware is mostly old stuff from the Cold War, 60s and 70s stuff. I suppose we could sell some of our old weapons to Mugabe's opponents, but I am skeptical of arming revolutionary groups, it could come back to bite us.
I think they learned how to make cheap Kalashnikov rip-offs
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 20:17
An idea would be to sell electronic guns, that we can deactivate if they turn against us.
Like in the artemis fowl books...hell yeah!
OK, I have an idea.
We get a guy with a beard...we get him to say he's the new prophet of God...He goes to the middle east and declares that the land of God isn't palestime it's Zimbabwe, it's then a race between different groups of relgious fundamentalists to overthrow Mugabe. We create a sort of "problem theme park" down there and kill 2 birds with one stone.
An idea would be to sell electronic guns, that we can deactivate if they turn against us.
That's what we do with missiles - like in the Falklands War we simply asked France for the Exocet de-activation codes ... they didn't want to give them to us because who'll buy weapons from you if you'll give the de-activation codes to their enemies but after we threatened to nuke Argentina they gave us the codes
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 20:19
Like in the artemis fowl books...hell yeah!
OK, I have an idea.
We get a guy with a beard...we get him to say he's the new prophet of God...He goes to the middle east and declares that the land of God isn't palestime it's Zimbabwe, it's then a race between different groups of relgious fundamentalists to overthrow Mugabe. We create a sort of "problem theme park" down there and kill 2 birds with one stone.
I think over reacting just a little here.;)
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 20:26
I think over reacting just a little here.;)
The US have staged the second coming of Christ before, they did it in Cuba in the hope that it would make the christians overthrow Castro.
Patriot 167
06-18-2008, 20:29
The US have staged the second coming of Christ before, they did it in Cuba in the hope that it would make the christians overthrow Castro.
They must of been out of money, or ideas.:rolleyes:
Hamsterwaffle
06-18-2008, 20:30
We could blow up his house, make it look like a gas leak or something.
Gotlieb Alexander
06-18-2008, 20:31
They must of been out of money, or ideas.:rolleyes:
Well they'd tried just about every other idea
Zimbabwe has a population of just over 20 000 000 people. If they truly want Mugabe and his 25 year regime to end, all I say to them is this, throw him out your selves, revolt, rise up against him!
Even if they wanted to (that is, they don't mind being beaten up or shot at) most of them are near-starvation. Its like in 1984 "a weak and ill-educated population is easier to control". If people have to spend 10 hours a day queueing for bread, they not in the best position to riot.
Patriot 167
06-19-2008, 10:52
Even if they wanted to (that is, they don't mind being beaten up or shot at) most of them are near-starvation. Its like in 1984 "a weak and ill-educated population is easier to control". If people have to spend 10 hours a day queueing for bread, they not in the best position to riot.
It all depends on how determined they are. The population of Russia was starving in the cold when they got rid of the Tsar. The people of France were all poor and lived in bad conditions before the revolution.
Hamsterwaffle
06-19-2008, 15:06
It all depends on how determined they are. The population of Russia was starving in the cold when they got rid of the Tsar. The people of France were all poor and lived in bad conditions before the revolution.
Those revolutions succeeded because of military leadership. France had Napoleon, Russia had Trotsky. Its the same with most successful revolutions, America had George Washington, the parliamentarians had Oliver Cromwell, Spain had Franco.
They succeded because the military joined the rioting. That was the only difference between the 1906 and 1914 riots, and the latter was succesful. If this were to happen in Zimbabwe they'd be deemed "brought revolutionaries and traitors of our former white colonial masters" and shot by the war veterans, who have huge support for Mugabe, and wouldn't mind going to war for him.
Personally I think, pessimisticaly, that a civil war is almost certain to happen in Zimbabwe.
According to the BBC the MDC candidate Morgan Tsvangirai may pull out of the upcoming run-off presidential election - they do not want the violence to continue and do not want to be part of the 'charade' that this election will be - this will hand the election (and the presidency) to Mugabe.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7465122.stm
PKDhande
06-20-2008, 21:42
According to the BBC the MDC candidate Morgan Tsvangirai may pull out of the upcoming run-off presidential election - they do not want the violence to continue and do not want to be part of the 'charade' that this election will be - this will hand the election (and the presidency) to Mugabe.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7465122.stm
Yeah, Mugabe said something like 'only God can stop me now'.
Well, big guy, sort it out!
Morgan Tsvangirai/MDC have pulled out of the election! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7467990.stm)
Zimbabwe's opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai says he is pulling out of Friday's presidential run-off, handing victory to President Robert Mugabe.
Mr Tsvangirai said there was no point running when elections would not be free and fair and "the outcome is determined by... Mugabe himself".
He called on the global community to step in to protect Zimbabweans.
The decision came after opposition supporters heading to a rally in the capital Harare came under attack.
The opposition Movement for Democratic Change says at least 70 supporters have been killed in recent months.
At a press conference in Harare on Sunday, Mr Tsvangirai said: "We in the MDC have resolved that we will no longer participate in this violent, illegitimate sham of an election process."
"We will not play the game of Mugabe," he added.
He called on the United Nations and African Union to intervene to prevent a "genocide" in Zimbabwe.
BBC Africa analyst Martin Plaut says the key question now is what Thabo Mbeki, president of Zimbabwe's powerful neighbour South Africa, will do.
He is in the best position to step up the pressure on Mr Mugabe, since Zimbabwe is so economically dependent on South Africa, our analyst says.
Rally blocked
On Sunday, the MDC was due to stage a rally in Harare - the highlight of the campaign.
But supporters of Mr Mugabe's Zanu-PF occupied the stadium venue and roads leading up to it.
Witnesses reported seeing hundreds of youths around the venue wielding sticks, some chanting slogans, and others circling the stadium crammed onto the backs of trucks.
They reportedly set upon opposition activists, leaving a number badly injured.
The MDC said African election monitors were also chased away from the rally site.
Unity government?
The MDC says Morgan Tsvangirai won the presidential election outright during the first round in March.
The government admits he won more votes than President Mugabe, but says he did not take enough to win outright.
Mr Mugabe has said he will never accept a Zimbabwe run by the MDC.
On Saturday, South Africa sent two mediators to Harare, just days after its President, Thabo Mbeki, went to Zimbabwe himself, for separate talks with Mr Mugabe and Mr Tsvangirai.
The BBC's Peter Biles, in Johannesburg, says this was possibly a last effort to persuade Mr Mugabe to cancel the election run-off, and to persuade both sides to begin negotiations on a government of national unity.
It is widely accepted that in the present circumstances, with serious political violence, the election will not resolve Zimbabwe's problems, our correspondent adds.
The MDC says its members have been beaten, and its supporters evicted from their homes, forcing it to campaign in near secrecy.
The party's secretary general, Tendai Biti, is under arrest charged with treason.
Mr Mugabe has accused the MDC of acting in the interest of Britain, the former colonial power, and other Western countries.
Zimbabwe's other immediate neighbours have also added their voices to increasing international concern over the validity of the run-off.
Yeah, Mugabe said something like 'only God can stop me now'.
Well, big guy, sort it out!
*Foot comes out the sky and shmushes the crap out of Mugabe, twice*
"Sure thing Pav!" *thumbs up*
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Gotlieb Alexander
06-22-2008, 14:29
I suppose by pulling out he's prevented the West from being able to pretend the elections were fair as a way of ignoring the situation
Yep, it's a smart move when you think deep down, it looks foolish on the surface though...
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SpeakOut
06-25-2008, 21:34
Ok so i heartily dislike this man! Hate would be the best word. He has reduced Zimbabwe to nothing. And its bieng allowed?? It should be stopped. What a watse of Democracy! It should be done properly or allowed properly even..People like him make Politics look bad! God Help Zimbabwe.Or atleast Some one
The Queen has now removed Mugabe's KC of the order of the Bath
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